Post #34,973
4/10/02 1:08:13 PM
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Bourgeiosophobia explained
[link|http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/102gwtnf.asp|Hot and cold wounded pride]
Excerpt:
Maybe the bourgeoisophobes were wrong from the first. Maybe they were wrong to think that 90 percent of humanity is mad to seek money. Maybe they were wrong to think that wealth inevitably corrupts. Maybe they were wrong to regard themselves as the spiritual superiors of middle-class bankers, lawyers, and traders. Maybe they were wrong to think that America is predominantly about gain and the bitch-goddess success. Maybe they were wrong to think that power and wealth are a sign of spiritual stuntedness. Maybe they were wrong to treasure the ecstatic gestures of rebellion, martyrdom, and liberation over the deeper satisfactions of ordinary life.
And if they weren't wrong, how does one explain the fact that almost all their predictions turned out to be false? For two centuries America has been on the verge of exhaustion or collapse, but it never has been exhausted or collapsed. For two centuries capitalism has been in crisis, but it never has succumbed. For two centuries the youth/the artists/the workers/the oppressed minorities were going to overthrow the staid conformism of the suburbs, but in the end they never did. Instead they moved to the suburbs and found happiness there.
I say:
Not everyone who wins, cheats.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes. If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
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Post #34,985
4/10/02 2:48:44 PM
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H I S T O R Y - you just don't get it, do you?
For two centuries America has been on the verge of exhaustion or collapse, but it never has been exhausted or collapsed. So, back in 1802? Huh? For two centuries capitalism has been in crisis, but it never has succumbed. Again, 1802? WTF? For two centuries the youth/the artists/the workers/the oppressed minorities were going to overthrow the staid conformism of the suburbs, but in the end they never did. Suburbs? In 1802? Why the Europeans and Arabs, each in their own way, hate America and Israel. WDYHASM?!? AROUND 1830, a group of French artists and intellectuals looked around and noticed that people who were their spiritual inferiors were running the world. And throughout the ages, we've had similar "revelations" from religious groups, philosophical groups, economic groups, and so forth. To put it in other words, this article would be just as relevent if it were about a militia group in Idaho, a UFO-mystic group in California, an EST group in NY or a bunch of gool-ol-boys in Georgia. But the BEST is contained in these two paragraphs: Today the battle lines are forming. The dispute over Palestine, which was once a local conflict about land, has been transformed into a great cultural showdown. The vast array of bourgeoisophobes--Yasser Arafat's guerrilla socialists, Hamas's Islamic fundamentalists, Jose Bove's anti-globalist leftists, America's anti-colonial multiculturalists, and the BBC's Oxbridge mediacrats--focus their diverse rages and resentments on this one conflict. Okay, everyone clear on who's who? The bourgeoisophobes include the "anti-colonial multiculturalists" in the US (I will assume that the author means the US when the author says "America's"). On a side note, has anyone ever wondered why the authors of these articles can't tell the difference between "America" and "The United States of America"? Is "Canada" something they can pinpoint on a map? Anyway, paragraph two: The bourgeoisophobes have no politburo. There is no bourgeoisophobe central command. They have no plausible strategy for victory. They have only their nihilistic rage, their envy mixed with snobbery, their snide remarks, their newspaper distortions, their conspiracy theories, their suicide bombs and terror attacks--and above all, a burning sense that the rising, vibrant, and powerful peoples of America and Israel must be humiliated and brought low. So........... US citizens are suicide bombers for Arafat? French intelligentsia are terrorists? Ahhhh, I see. This is a case of "group everyone I don't like together (they share the common trait of not being liked by me)" and then "group all of their activities together (they sharing the common trait of being activities of everyone I don't like)" and then start spewing "insight" about why everyone in that group is wrong. So, where does that place me? Definately an "anti-colonial multiculturalist" but one who thinks that Arafat should be arrested? Hmmmmm? Ah, that doesn't matter, does it? Just group everyone that you don't like together 'cause they're all WRONG! Your life must be so much simpler when you do that. PS: Money is the root of all happiness.
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Post #34,986
4/10/02 3:06:23 PM
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burgersophobia
"Maybe they were wrong to regard themselves as the spiritual superiors of middle-class bankers, lawyers, and traders"
I AM superior to the above mentioned class, I have worked with them, lunched with them and had a brew or two with them. My gnads are heavier and my abilites are immense compared to the ham and eggers.I know the beast and I am superior.
I dont much care for the ubermen the article mentioned either, rather deal with real lowlifes such as street people or Canadian Businessmen from Toronto. In the later case we could round up and ship them to the west bank. Inside a week both Israel and PLO would be without weapons, money ammo and be too broke to buy more.
my 2 cents. thanx, bill
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
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Post #35,017
4/10/02 5:49:37 PM
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Actually, I was far more interesting in the these lines....
This is because today, in much of the world's eyes, two peoples--the Americans and the Jews--have emerged as the great exemplars of undeserved success. Americans and Israelis, in this view, are the money-mad molochs of the earth, the vulgarizers of morals, corrupters of culture, and proselytizers of idolatrous values. These two nations, it is said, practice conquest capitalism, overrunning poorer nations and exploiting weaker neighbors in their endless desire for more and more.
It's a wonderful piece. It's all about how Israel and America are both treated so unfairly. They're both peas in a pod. Frankly, I'm surprised you brought up this article Marlowe. The US and Israel aren't alike in my mind. Sure they've both butchered the locals and took over, both ignore laws and promises when the mood suits them. But there is one huge difference. The US is a superpower...and if we decide to bring peace to that area...we will...one way or another.
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Post #35,029
4/10/02 6:54:34 PM
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Uh, do you mean
> But there is one huge difference. > > The US is a superpower...and if we decide to bring peace to that area...we will...one way or another. >
Peace as in DEAD quiet?
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Post #35,081
4/11/02 2:09:16 AM
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Those predictions were all false?
Well, a few predicted cataclysm. Most predicted blandness and loss of meaning and vitality.
We have the greatest communication system in the history of the known universe, and not much to say on it. Show me great art created in the 1990's. I dare you. One piece that isn't rendered silly by comparison to a Botticelli pencil sketch. And that's a damned easy target, Boticelli wasn't the best of his time, and his paintings were better than his sketches. Sito.org has some nice lively, participatory art, but nothing truly great.
We are dying (literaly) of fat.
Depression is more and more common.
Intelligent people are reduced to discussing cheesy straw-man sophmore essays.
I am not a man, I am a free number.
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Post #35,122
4/11/02 12:38:25 PM
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And we all die by age 120, too.
Loss of meaning and vitality. To the extent that forms any concrete image in the mind, it's a problem for the backward peoples as much as any other. Maybe more so. What greater symptom is there of a loss of meaning and vitality than preferring death to life? In the West, the death culture creeps in the backdoor. In the Arab world, it's feted and promoted.
None of your complaints are specific to the middle class, as far as I can see, except maybe the blandness. And most of the ways the middle class are bland are ways in which it's *good* to be bland. Like not strapping explosives around one's paunchy waist and blowing oneself up in some bland public market. I'll take that kind of blandness any day.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes. If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
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Post #35,144
4/11/02 2:22:23 PM
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There is a book with words and definitions of those words.
It's called a "dictionary". And most of the ways the middle class are bland are ways in which it's *good* to be bland. Like not strapping explosives around one's paunchy waist and blowing oneself up in some bland public market. I'll take that kind of blandness any day. You say "most", but you only give one isolated example. How many Palestinians are there? How many of them have turned to suicide bombers? Once again, statistics are beyond your grasp. The West has, in the past 100 years, turned out a handful of great novels, jazz, and that's about it. On the other hand, we have also created pet rocks, junk bonds, EST, talk shows, and so on. As a nation, we are obese, ill-informed and pre-occupied with mindless gratification (fat, dumb and happy). I'm glad you support that. Well, at least we aren't suicide bombers. Remember kids, no matter how pathetic you are, there's ALWAYS at least ONE other person in the entire world that you can say you're better than.
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Post #35,154
4/11/02 2:57:37 PM
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Maybe you're being a bit hard on our salarymen?
(George Babbitt, Sinclair Lewis' prototypical Murican biznessman, that is.)
Sure.. we brought the world nukes.. but also, turn of last century - the Company Band! with real people playing music, some of them reaching virtuoso accomplishment. All gone now, of course -- except in UK, where the phenomenon yet flourishes.
And yes, maybe we invented the Corporation and its utter freedom from any $ocial responsibilitie$ for Its actions, called it 'capitalism' and.. set the stage for It coming to rule.. over prior and largely impotent 'governments'.. but also, we trashed the rails and other efficient mass transport for 'city enclaves' + burbs, dead downtowns and a massive [oil] thirst: exchanged for personally owned Troop Carriers! (well.. no tracks. Yet.) And eliminated the exercise of walking, to boot! (ergo the physical status you described.)
OK I misspoke: you're being soft on US, 'cause.. there's more....
Ashton
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Post #35,196
4/11/02 7:19:44 PM
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Thanks for making my point
But I think you overstate my case.
Refraining from suicide bombing is probably not quite the pinnacle of bourgoise acomplishment.
I am not a man, I am a free number.
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Post #35,249
4/12/02 11:43:26 AM
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Heh heh heh
Refraining from suicide bombing is probably not quite the pinnacle of bourgoise acomplishment. Listing the crimes you did NOT commit as "accomplishments". :)
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Post #35,271
4/12/02 4:15:51 PM
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Maybe I've been too disrespectful of 'consumption' -
just for the sheer Hell of it.
It may turn out that, a life dedicated to the manic cycling of nice clean raw materials into.. the trash heap (after a brief pit-stop while it is being 'owned'):
could be somewhat better for the planet-full (8 billion and counting) for its diversionary function! Imagine all the destructive ideas which might ferment, were they all even *more* bored... ... ... ...and, sitting around ... ... thinking up even more excuses for slaughtering any near-by ones who are.. umm 'different' in thought or appearance ???
Why there could be.. clandestine courses in MSEE More-effective Suicide Events Explained: why take just a handful with you.. when Our MBA* course can multiply your intended-collateral damage an order of magnitude!
*Master Bomber Activation\ufffd
Don't be a Wimp... Escalate!
Yes, I may have erred all along - and must make amends...
Consumption... A disease which is Good for all the rest !!
Conservation... a Pinko-Fascist idea past its time!
Just DO It !!!
Ashton how could I have missed it so badly !?
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Post #35,094
4/11/02 9:23:10 AM
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But probably not...
Maybe they were wrong to think that wealth inevitably corrupts. Maybe they were wrong to regard themselves as the spiritual superiors of middle-class bankers, lawyers, and traders. Maybe they were wrong to think that America is predominantly about gain and the bitch-goddess success. Maybe they were wrong to think that power and wealth are a sign of spiritual stuntedness. But probably not....
jb4 (Resistance is not futile...)
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