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Post #348,090 by static 9/24/11 4:47:22 AM Reply	Quite. But Project Management can happen quite successfully without roping in all the developers. One of their more useful skills is liasing between two development managers. We also found a way to "de-Waterfall" a Product Manager: it is basically stealing incomplete designs for the developers to play with :-) though this works better if he can be convinced to hand them over voluntarily. But the Project Manager has to be able to sooth ruffled feathers when the Product Manager keeps getting given suggestions to improve the design before he's "ready to release it". Wade. Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
Post #348,111 by malraux 9/24/11 10:06:22 AM Reply	Product Managers ... shouldn't be doing designs. They should be preparing business requirements. UI designers and IAs should be doing designs. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #348,140 by static 9/24/11 5:32:57 PM Reply	Imprecise definition. By 'design' I meant Product Design, which means marshalling business rules into UX. And they have to approve the layout anyway. Wade. Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/

had an interesting conversation today about SCRUM - (boxley) - (17) - Sept. 22, 2011, 03:28:32 PM EDT

It's what they call agile development. - (hnick) - (14) - Sept. 22, 2011, 04:40:48 PM EDT

I would be at the beck and call of several of those beasts - (boxley) - (4) - Sept. 22, 2011, 06:00:16 PM EDT

Now. Gimme those perms now! - (crazy) - (3) - Sept. 23, 2011, 08:36:04 AM EDT

Pair programming is fickle. - (static) - (2) - Sept. 24, 2011, 04:49:11 AM EDT

Never had that dynamic - (crazy) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2011, 08:38:56 AM EDT

What I figured a good dev can do. - (static) - Sept. 24, 2011, 05:25:58 PM EDT

There's a bit more to it than that... - (malraux) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2011, 06:09:44 PM EDT

Re: There's a bit more to it than that... - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2011, 08:27:32 AM EDT

Granted. -NT - (malraux) - Sept. 24, 2011, 10:04:29 AM EDT

I like scrum for development - (S1mon_Jester) - (5) - Sept. 23, 2011, 01:03:09 AM EDT

That's a good point. - (static) - (4) - Sept. 23, 2011, 01:43:41 AM EDT

Well Scrum was SUPPOSED - (S1mon_Jester) - (3) - Sept. 23, 2011, 10:00:57 AM EDT

Quite. - (static) - (2) - Sept. 24, 2011, 04:47:22 AM EDT

Product Managers - (malraux) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2011, 10:06:22 AM EDT

Imprecise definition. - (static) - Sept. 24, 2011, 05:32:57 PM EDT

I'm an advocate. - (mvitale) - Sept. 22, 2011, 07:27:10 PM EDT

We do that all the time. - (static) - Sept. 22, 2011, 07:32:39 PM EDT

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