Re: Call bs

Post #347,044 by pwhysall 8/30/11 5:17:21 PM Reply	Re: Call bs A C130 is a military transport, designed for shifting materiel, not freight. A 747-400 or similar is a freighter. A C130 is for moving tanks.
Post #347,047 by beepster 8/30/11 5:43:09 PM Reply	It's used for many things. But it's not a platform for weapons. Yes it can carry them..and one of our versions is armed..but that carries a separate designation, as I already have pointed out. It is not a bomber. It is not a fighter. Unless it lands on you or crashes on you...the c130 is not a weapon. When some says "arming the enemy" is a big, green bus what comes to mind? Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,049 by pwhysall 8/30/11 5:52:13 PM Reply	Re: It's used for many things. C'mon, Bill. If the intention was to give Libya some air freight capacity, they'd have been given things like a 747-400. A C130 is a military transport, for transporting military things which have the express purpose of rendering people into little bits. I'd say a C130 full of tanks is exactly as much of a weapon as the tanks themselves. Any transfer of military hardware is "arming" someone. I might give a pass to a transfer of medical and food supplies, but anything else - that's arming someone.
Post #347,051 by beepster 8/30/11 5:59:01 PM Reply	I wouldn't. Selling them the tanks is another matter. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,054 by S1mon_Jester 8/30/11 6:44:22 PM 8/30/11 6:58:47 PM Reply	Nothing I've seen prevents a C-130 from delivering a BLU-82 or MOAB. Traditionally speaking, they're delivered via the MC-130 variants, but I haven't seen anything the PREVENTS them from being delivered by a standard C-130. Like the BLU-82, the MOAB rests in a cradle on an airdrop platform inside a C-130 aircraft. Due to the size of the ordnance, the item is extracted from either an MC-130 Talon II or "Slick" C-130 Hercules by way of a parachute. A drogue parachute extracts the weapon, cradle and platform-and the weapon is quickly released to maintain maximum forward momentum. The grid fins then open and begin guiding the weapon to its target. http://www.globalsec...unitions/moab.htm Edited by S1mon_Jester Aug. 30, 2011, 06:58:47 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #347,066 by beepster 8/30/11 10:26:14 PM Reply	except not having one to deliver. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,087 by S1mon_Jester 8/31/11 10:31:27 AM Reply	True - but you have repeated claimed it wasn't a bomber and I'll say it again - there is this company called Boeing that sells these cargo thingys to a company called FedEx. We could've shipped on of those aircraft.
Post #347,096 by beepster 8/31/11 2:44:39 PM Reply	Re: True - but you have repeated claimed it wasn't a bomber Except it appears they already own the planes being discussed, we just never delivered them. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,097 by S1mon_Jester 8/31/11 3:16:46 PM Reply	Yep, we never delivered them Libya bought eight C-130s in 1969 and liked them well enough to buy eight more for $42 million in 1972. Lockheed built the new aircraft at its Marietta assembly line, test-flew them and painted them in Libyan colors. When they were ready for delivery, however, political considerations kept them grounded. Libya is still on the U.S. State Department's list of countries that support terrorism, and military sales to such countries are illegal. The United States has lifted travel and trade bans against Libya in the last two months, but State Department officials say Libya is likely to remain on the terrorism list for some time. The toll that time and neglect have taken on the airframes also is unknown. The planes have stayed outside and exposed to the elements since the Carter administration. Each plane's engines, propellers, avionics and wiring are likely to need overhauls or outright replacement. www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1129951/posts Yep, we didn't deliver them. Looks like we had good reasons for not delivering them. Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Dubya and Obama....and none of these guys (or their administration) have delivered on these planes. Now McCain wants to.
Post #347,098 by S1mon_Jester 8/31/11 3:19:51 PM Reply	Actually - we might have delivered them... The U.S. military dramatically stepped up its assault on Libyan government ground forces over the weekend, launching its first missions with AC-130 flying gunships and A-10 attack aircraft designed to strike enemy ground troops and supply convoys. The use of the aircraft, during days of heavy fighting in which the momentum seemed to swing in favor of the rebels, demonstrated how allied military forces have been drawn deeper into the chaotic fight in Libya. A mission that initially seemed to revolve around establishing a no-fly zone has become focused on halting advances by government ground forces in and around key coastal cities. The AC-130s, which fly low and slow over the battlefield and are typically more vulnerable to enemy fire than fast-moving fighter jets, were deployed only after a week of sustained coalition attacks on Libyan government air defenses and radar sites. These aircraft, armed with heavy machine guns and cannons that rake the ground, allow strikes on dug-in Libyan ground forces and convoys in closer proximity to civilians. http://nation.foxnew...bya#ixzz1WdTitYKP Abdul - is that our plane?
Post #347,099 by Another Scott 8/31/11 3:45:18 PM Reply	See the linkies in 50198. :-) http://iwt.mikevital....iwt?postid=50198 He has C-130s, and he has more waiting in Marietta that he'll never get. Cheers, Scott.
Post #347,102 by S1mon_Jester 8/31/11 6:18:16 PM Reply	Sorry...should've included the sign on that one. We sent over an AC-130 over to Libya...it didn't land, but did leave some presents.
Post #347,103 by Another Scott 8/31/11 7:02:27 PM Reply	Whoops! :-)
Post #347,056 by boxley 8/30/11 7:18:48 PM Reply	they are used to move food and freight to rural alaska used all around the world as freighters. Not an av buff but the c130 is stol compared to the others you mentioned Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #347,058 by Another Scott 8/30/11 7:38:52 PM Reply	Why would Qadaffi need a STOL plane? He wanted it for military applications. His air force had lots of planes of various types: http://en.wikipedia....r_force_equipment Looks like he still won't be getting those C-130s he ordered in the 1970s... http://uk.jalopnik.c...otting-in-georgia Cheers, Scott. (Who vaguely remembers that the Shah had some planes that were never delivered, too.)

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