A C130
isn't a weapon...but then again, an F-16 isn't a weapon either. It's just a fast, single seat aircraft. (It's the guns, missiles and rockets that make it a weapon)
And you have to admit, the C130 can be used to drop BLU-82Bs. If we wanted to sell a "big empty aircraft" - we could've sold him 757s from Boeing. |
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continued BS
they are cargo aircraft.
The armed versions have an M in front...MC-130E, for example...and no mention was made on any armaments..only the plane Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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The M form of the plane
has a kit.
Or... well, I guess nobody mentioned that. |
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Used by military organizations.
They aren't Piper Cubs used for pleasure trips.
http://www.af.mil/in...ctsheet.asp?id=92 HTH. Cheers, Scott. |
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Its not armaments
so they weren't secretly planning to "arm" him, as the article states.
Selling a cargo plane, even one that carries military gear...is not "arming" a leader. that's the spin..and its not accurate. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Hmmm....
http://www.merriam-w...tionary/armaments
Definition of ARMAMENT Try again? Cheers, Scott. |
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forget it
not worth it. its spun. you know it. I know it. A C130 doesn't kill anyone...not the equivalence of a tank, gun, missile, bomb...etc...even though the author would like you to believe that from the title
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Why are you trying to defend him?
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Not the point
its a hit piece. Don't care who the names are.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Then don't read Politico. Works for me. ;-)
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Well..
..You didn't link it..but seemed to support it
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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I was arguing with you. Doesn't mean I like Politico.
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Ayup. That much I gathered.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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So then..
$$, free "containers for military equipment" and whatever ancillary material would accompany this US-->Q largesse ... doesn't matter;
If it doesn't have an M in front It cannot be be a real affront It's just a little present sent To drop stuff on a luckless peasant Love your simple Boolean mind and its Certainty in all aspects of complex situations. It reminds me of what to eschew, when attempting genuine thought on any topic. |
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I think what Beep is saying...
is that "enabling the movement of arms" or "improving the capability to move arms" is not the same as "arming."
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I suppose..
...that opening the back and dropping a pallet of food out the back would qualify the same as a bunker buster...assuming you were the one having it hit you in the head.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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That'd be dual use. ;0)
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So I guess Alaska Airlines is an airforce?
poor quality one but they do fly those as cargo planes
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
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Why would Qadaffi want them?
Hydrogen bombs could be used to create harbors in Alaska[*]. That's not what they're for, though....
Cheers, Scott. * - http://arcticcircle....t/vandegraft.html |
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Actually those were L-100
But for some reason, we didn't offer those to Gadaffi.
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I think you're thinking of the AC-130
A as in Assault.
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Spooky.
Remember John Wayne's movie "The Green Berets"? It doesn't take much to turn a prop plane into a flying lead storm with a huge ammo supply.
I thought it was an AC-130, but it was an AC-47 that was "Puff the Magic Dragon" - http://en.wikipedia....wiki/AC-47_Spooky Cheers, Scott. |
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No, the C-130 is fitted with . . .
. . a 105mm rapid fire canon.
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Leaked cable: John McCain pushed to arm Qadhafi
- (lincoln)
- (39)
- Aug. 29, 2011, 09:14:11 PM EDT
Call bs
- (beepster)
- (38)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 06:43:01 AM EDT
A C130
- (S1mon_Jester)
- (22)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 01:47:12 PM EDT
continued BS
- (beepster)
- (21)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 02:11:44 PM EDT
The M form of the plane
- (folkert)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 02:41:51 PM EDT
Used by military organizations.
- (Another Scott)
- (16)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 02:46:36 PM EDT
Its not armaments
- (beepster)
- (12)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 02:50:20 PM EDT
Hmmm....
- (Another Scott)
- (7)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 02:57:19 PM EDT
forget it
- (beepster)
- (6)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 03:30:35 PM EDT
Why are you trying to defend him?
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- (5)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 03:43:22 PM EDT
Not the point
- (beepster)
- (4)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 04:58:56 PM EDT
Then don't read Politico. Works for me. ;-)
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- (3)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 05:08:41 PM EDT
Well..
- (beepster)
- (2)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 05:35:12 PM EDT
I was arguing with you. Doesn't mean I like Politico.
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- (1)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 05:39:13 PM EDT
Ayup. That much I gathered.
-NT
- (beepster)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 05:44:11 PM EDT
So then..
- (Ashton)
- (3)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 03:04:40 PM EDT
I think what Beep is saying...
- (mmoffitt)
- (2)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 03:43:01 PM EDT
I suppose..
- (beepster)
- (1)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 04:01:50 PM EDT
That'd be dual use. ;0)
-NT
- (mmoffitt)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 05:02:56 PM EDT
So I guess Alaska Airlines is an airforce?
- (boxley)
- (2)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 03:22:06 PM EDT
Why would Qadaffi want them?
- (Another Scott)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 03:50:37 PM EDT
Actually those were L-100
- (S1mon_Jester)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 03:56:01 PM EDT
I think you're thinking of the AC-130
- (S1mon_Jester)
- (2)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 06:36:24 PM EDT
Spooky.
- (Another Scott)
- (1)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 07:16:26 PM EDT
No, the C-130 is fitted with . . .
- (Andrew Grygus)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 10:50:42 PM EDT
Re: Call bs
- (pwhysall)
- (14)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 05:17:21 PM EDT
It's used for many things.
- (beepster)
- (11)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 05:43:09 PM EDT
Re: It's used for many things.
- (pwhysall)
- (1)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 05:52:13 PM EDT
I wouldn't.
- (beepster)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 05:59:01 PM EDT
Nothing I've seen prevents a C-130
- (S1mon_Jester)
- (8)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 06:58:47 PM EDT
except not having one to deliver.
-NT
- (beepster)
- (7)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 10:26:14 PM EDT
True - but you have repeated claimed it wasn't a bomber
- (S1mon_Jester)
- (6)
- Aug. 31, 2011, 10:31:27 AM EDT
Re: True - but you have repeated claimed it wasn't a bomber
- (beepster)
- (5)
- Aug. 31, 2011, 02:44:39 PM EDT
Yep, we never delivered them
- (S1mon_Jester)
- Aug. 31, 2011, 03:16:46 PM EDT
Actually - we might have delivered them...
- (S1mon_Jester)
- (3)
- Aug. 31, 2011, 03:19:51 PM EDT
See the linkies in 50198. :-)
- (Another Scott)
- (2)
- Aug. 31, 2011, 03:45:18 PM EDT
Sorry...should've included the sign on that one.
- (S1mon_Jester)
- (1)
- Aug. 31, 2011, 06:18:16 PM EDT
Whoops! :-)
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- Aug. 31, 2011, 07:02:27 PM EDT
they are used to move food and freight to rural alaska
- (boxley)
- (1)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 07:18:48 PM EDT
Why would Qadaffi need a STOL plane?
- (Another Scott)
- Aug. 30, 2011, 07:38:52 PM EDT
