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New Recent news - nuclear waste - another 'unfunded liability'
[...]
"Counting past expenditures and interest earned, the fund's balance is about $25 billion.

But that cash doesn't really exist."

http://online.wsj.co...od=googlenews_wsj



In other related news, digging has begun:

http://www.tri-cityh...nford-burial.html


"Digging is under way on one of the most hazardous waste burial grounds near the Columbia River at Hanford.

"We expect to find up to 2,000 drums containing everything from mildly contaminated clothing and debris to highly radioactive laboratory equipment and liquids,"
[more...]

And where will they dispose of it? At least the Hanford project has budget money.



The past is never dead. It's not even past. (Faulkner)

New More wasted taxpayer money.
From your second link. Emphasis Mine.
The start of the 618-10 project was accelerated thanks to federal economic stimulus money, said Mark French, DOE's project director for the Columbia River corridor.


</sarcasm>
New Having been around 'radiation' all my adult life
(and actually, as a tyke--with scintillation screens and such)

I've followed the trajectory of vox-populi VS Reality all-along. And while periodically ...
(Say just after viewing Failsafe, The Day the Earth Stood Still, The Beginning or the End, yada?)
... someone NOTICES that we are still in *MAD*-mode as regards itchy-trigger-fingers on Buttons:

Save for The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (and of course, a bevy of science-oriented .orgs, .edus and the like
-- the entire topic goes ^Zooooom^ over the heads of the Murican Idle-obsessed, about 15 sec after one of these Wake-Ups.

I (with others) now believe it verges on near-Certainty that a rogue nuke explosion Shall occur:
as Pakistan melts down
--goes with the Chinese umbrella instead of bad-old-Imperial-Murica, etc. -- within a few years. Or months?
IF in Murica?--we can see by the hysteria over the phony 'deficit'-sky-falling: our Plutocracy/Kleptocracy of cowed consumers shall Explode into glossolalia, chaos of a level which the TEAparty buffoons only nudged.

(Offhand, compared with Nothing: I deemed Yucca Flats about as Good as a schizophrenic/science-iggerant-by-design culture might have accomplished.)
Only NIMBY and our perpetually broken One Party-with-Two-fRight-wings: guarantees FAIL on anything remotely sensible,
especially Now, after Shrub successfully mined the entire economic structure with time-delay fuzes now Going Off.

;-/

Yes, we're fucking Doomed, given: What we have become, given our sci-iggerance, our adolescent stubbornness and, wtf: our Numbah One in population Dumbth.

(Me.. I'll save a few cats; they Are, after all guileless and bipeds never Are) thus felines are deserving of some respite from our Perpetual War on living things
--on any planet we might infect [for a time.. until..]

Carl Sagan (among many worthy successors) tried to get such messages across, but the Murican strain of stubborn-ignorance is like a self-sealing gas tank against deep thoughts ever getting through.
I shall attempt to emulate the statistician, Potiphar Breen [Year of the Jackpot]
in my bucolic pastoral setting, tuning-out the rising dB-level from those areas of high biped-concentration
... as can enter here only if I turn on some info-receiver; for curiosity's sake: that might become less and less frequently.

[Irony: them there Survivalist wackos with gated compounds shall further skew the gene pool Mad Max-wards.]
But then, I won't be around to harvest That Laugh-In-Two rerun :-)


Cheers, Geiger counter optional--if you really must Know your poison.
New I'm more hopeful.
While these systems are 60 year old technology, understanding how they degrade over time isn't widely appreciated. Things have to work with fine timing under optimized conditions to make Pu239 go boom. The more time passes without new weapons being built, the lower the chance they will be used "reliably" - that's my hope anyway.

A 1996 BAS article on these issues - http://books.google....onepage&q&f=false

You may be right that Pakistan will be the flash point. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. There or anywhere else...

Cheers,
Scott.
New look at the bright side
the Himalayas go flat, Iran nukes Israel who responds so 9/10ths of the ME issues are solved and global warming is good for a few centuries
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New The Butterfly Effect then?
AKA: Butterfly Storms?
New Reductio ad absurdum is funny,
only when: the topic is trivial/unimportant or specious.
New you dont find that theory possible? Try keeping up
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New re '96 article
Yes, of course: your wannabe WMDer would prefer U-235 all around, given the extraordinary difficulty of achieving near-perfection in the implosion lens fabrication; here, cosmic humor placed a huge barrier between deranged humans and their intent. You just Can't make a gun-type/simple bomb with Pu (though you could squander stolen Pu in an inefficient/dirty--still nasty device.)

I was aware of the inevitable dance twixt the US camps:

A) Let's be ready with some prototypes to test ASAP.. if perchance we might deem it "necessary" to withdraw from the CBT. *cough* *rasp*

B) Let's just play by the rules, use (quite fewer) resources to maintain the aging batches--sans 'new design' attractions and eschewing that expensive What-If? option: which tries to cover all imaginable scenarios, and even 'plans'-in-detail: withdrawal from the treaty, then crash testing programs with candidates already assembled for future test.

(66 years after Hiroshima, this-all is still unalloyed MADNESS, of course--but Muricans must remain #1 in all things having to do with Mine's Bigger: If the designers' penises/vulvas would automatically explode if-their-weapon-ever-did [??] -- how much greater would be the odds for survival of the non-deranged species everywhere, eh?)

I thought this article most useful for its al punte focus upon safety vs reliability aspects of 'defects'. And as we see, most of these alleged or statistically-projected-future? defects which affect Yield: result in only slight degradations in efficiency-of-annihilation. Nine only, of these expected/occasional faults: reach 10% loss. And these are all statistical estimates.

But any 'upgrades to design'--new-design nukes via computer: may compromise [storage/handling/disassembly] safety, even though the Reliability issue, per their own stats, is mostly about accumulating of "1% losses"==rarely beyond 5%.

As there will always be Curtiss LeMay wannabes, obviously the Pentagon as well as all rational people need to be aware of mindsets of A) and of B) factions within these surreal super-classified arguments, upon which none of us can Vote, except highly-peripherally. Were we still Americans, we'd unilaterally disarm down to a handful of these practically-useless things == the only convincing argument possible:
in support of TRUE 'universal nuke disarmament'. That would take guts on all levels. We don't have 'guts' anymore. Pity.

We go either with spending ridiculous levels of $$ to maintain the illusion that we EVER CAN again detonate one of these insane devices
-OR-
We spend ludicrous levels of $$, planning for an actual "war" involving [n+x] 'exchanges' of many many devices.

OK, this was '96: and 15 years later, while many missiles remain damn close to Launch on Warning status: this entire topic is so Off the Radar of all but some miniscule groups: the utter Insanity of the Type-A clan is not an iota less sociopathic than it was in '96.

And THAT is why I'm not sanguine about Sanity breaking-out, especially when now, much of the world is worrying about 'putting food on your family'. Hardly anyone is paying attention to the idea that National Security demands that the US remain capable of launching ~ something like nuclear winter, any old day of the week: with, say, a 98% probability of SUCCESS --OR: we are "underdefended".
Meta-obscenity, that.

Those aged, decrepit or even leaking gadgets were obscene when mass-produced--and will still work well enough to catalyze spasm war with other over-armed entities like the ex-USSR arsenal: Without 'improvements' in 'Reliability' [!!!ONE-1111].
(I read THAT between the lines of the BAS report, don't you?)

We are all screwed by, in A. E's pithy koan: Problems created at one level of thinking … cannot be solved at that same level of thinking.

Nothing there to be sanguine about, I'd say. Hope I'm wrong, that merely 'Luck' stands between utter-madness and survival, so long as the US nuke mindset is mired in '50s paranoia writ large.
Elegant science: Fat Man. Also Infinite Folly, from Day 1, as Bertie woulddid say.

     Recent news - nuclear waste - another 'unfunded liability' - (dmcarls) - (8)
         More wasted taxpayer money. - (mmoffitt)
         Having been around 'radiation' all my adult life - (Ashton) - (6)
             I'm more hopeful. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                 look at the bright side - (boxley) - (3)
                     The Butterfly Effect then? - (folkert)
                     Reductio ad absurdum is funny, - (Ashton) - (1)
                         you dont find that theory possible? Try keeping up -NT - (boxley)
                 re '96 article - (Ashton)

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