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Post #345,587
by Another Scott
8/2/11 1:53:41 PM
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New The problem was always getting 60 in the Senate.
At least at one point, most members of both bodies wanted a Public Option. But there weren't enough votes - 60 - to get it through the Senate.

It was going to die in the Senate if Obama tried to force a Public Option through.

http://www.democrati...dress=132x8516732

An OpEd wasn't going to change Ben Nelson's or Blanche Lincoln's minds. With 13 Blue Dogs actively opposed, or not willing to support it, even Reconciliation with 51 votes wasn't going to happen.

Obama knows how to count votes. Boehner apparently is still learning. ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
Post #345,591
by mmoffitt
8/2/11 2:02:16 PM
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New He only needed 11 more for reconciliation.
40 were already on record. But by then he had caved in. That's what I meant about leadership. Strong arming people instead of doing what he always does - leave the Progressives out on a limb by themselves. This is what I expected he would do and why I said his election in 2008 would be a catastrophe for progressive politics.

The bottom line is that he had majorities in both houses and a mandate from the masses. He was incompetent at the task of using that power and provide(d/s) absolutely no cover for any Senator or Congressman who dares have an idea inconsistent with the will of Obama's Wall Street backers. It's Government Sachs and President Wall Street, as predicted.
     'The President Surrenders' - (Ashton) - (20) - Aug. 1, 2011, 09:31:10 PM EDT
         more often than not, Krugman is right - (lincoln) - (6) - Aug. 1, 2011, 09:55:08 PM EDT
             Reich also spells that out for slow readers - (Ashton) - (5) - Aug. 1, 2011, 10:18:09 PM EDT
                 Reich has a similar blindness to Krugman. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Aug. 1, 2011, 10:47:23 PM EDT
                     Re: Reich has a similar blindness to Krugman. - (Ashton) - (3) - Aug. 2, 2011, 01:18:01 AM EDT
                         Booman's take - Know your enemies. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Aug. 3, 2011, 09:19:00 PM EDT
                             Wise words.. - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 5, 2011, 08:10:22 PM EDT
                                 counter with a quote from some commentary - (boxley) - Aug. 6, 2011, 11:26:30 AM EDT
         Dunno. - (Another Scott) - (12) - Aug. 1, 2011, 10:17:55 PM EDT
             He's also made them look like fanatical idiots. - (static) - Aug. 1, 2011, 10:55:09 PM EDT
             No votes for public option? - (mmoffitt) - (10) - Aug. 2, 2011, 01:38:42 PM EDT
                 The problem was always getting 60 in the Senate. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2011, 01:53:41 PM EDT
                     He only needed 11 more for reconciliation. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 2, 2011, 02:02:16 PM EDT
                 Getting a bit tired of the whining - (crazy) - (7) - Aug. 4, 2011, 12:05:24 PM EDT
                     Start with bankers, then Wall Street traders. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Aug. 4, 2011, 02:20:54 PM EDT
                         Why not? - (crazy) - (5) - Aug. 4, 2011, 06:08:59 PM EDT
                             You trust bidness? - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Aug. 5, 2011, 08:30:29 AM EDT
                                 Of course not - (crazy) - (3) - Aug. 5, 2011, 12:12:45 PM EDT
                                     And how many would have died of polio? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Aug. 5, 2011, 01:12:49 PM EDT
                                         Some good points. But NASA does a lot more than LEO. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 5, 2011, 01:51:24 PM EDT
                                         Vision statements - (mhuber) - Aug. 8, 2011, 12:32:18 PM EDT

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