Post #345,570
8/2/11 10:23:38 AM
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Idea to increase voting participation in 2012, 2016.
This came to me last night - I was wondering if there are any obvious flaws in it before I send it off to my Congress people:
Broadening the tax base is important, if done correctly. But so is broadening the involvement of the citizenry in choosing their federal representatives. The debt ceiling battle shows the dangers of letting a small minority hold the country hostage to their demands. Broader representation in Congress will lead to more opportunities for compromise and greater discussion of alternatives by those in the middle.
Many countries require their citizens to vote in national elections. We don't. But we don't need to make it mandatory to increase participation. We can use carrots.
The IRS receives about 141M individual tax returns a year. About 54M from joint filers, about 87M from the rest.
I propose that in national election years we do the following.
Offer a $100 refundable tax credit for non-joint filers, $200 for joint filers who check a box saying they voted in that year's national election. No proof will be required (people already have to swear that the return is accurate). It's available for people who take the standard deduction. In the summer before the election, PSAs would publicize the credit and urge people to vote in the fall election.
It would be a pilot program to run for 2 cycles (2012 and 2016).
The cost in 2013 would be about $20B at full participation, and similarly for 2017. The cuts could be offset by cuts to Defense programs.
Advantages:
1) Compensates people who have to take unpaid time off work to vote.
2) Increased interest and participation in federal elections.
3) Small additional stimulus to people in 2013. (Every little bit helps.)
4) Modest cost. If it is extended beyond 2016 then it won't break the budget.
5) No additional tax return paperwork.
Disadvantage:
1) "OMG! Obama's trying to use the IRS to spy on voters!!!111"
2) Works against Republican efforts to restrict voting, so they'll oppose it.
3) Modest cost.
Does this sound stupid? Am I missing anything?
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #345,573
8/2/11 10:50:21 AM
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In quite a few states that would be illegal
Alaska being one of them. The idea to add an incentive to vote is a good one. Just needs to be done legally and that would be left to the states.
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Post #345,575
8/2/11 11:09:08 AM
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Eh?
http://docs.google.c...spZAHxF-GO2eIqavw
All proxies must be received by the Inspectors before 5 p.m., Alaska daylight Time on Thursday, June 24, 2010, to be valid for the annual meeting. You can also cast your ballot in person on the floor of the annual meeting on June 26 in Craig, Alaska. Be sure to vote to be eligible for the voting incentive of $25, which you can elect to donate to Sealaska Heritage Institute by checking the box at the bottom of the proxy or ballot.
Yes, that's not a national election, but rather for an Alaska Native corporation, but I don't see why my proposed refundable credit would be illegal. What's the rationale?
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #345,580
8/2/11 11:47:14 AM
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thats private not public
http://abclocal.go.c...ngeles&id=6484679
California has a law that bans giving things to people to vote or stay away from the polls.
cant find the case listing but barrow alaska had a 100% turnout in elections and voters were offered 5 gallons of gas to show up at the polls. The state brought charges
So a lot of state laws would need to be changed.
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Post #345,583
8/2/11 12:20:25 PM
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But it has nothing to do with state law.
I can understand why one wouldn't want to directly pay people to vote. There's too much opportunity for abuse by winking and nudging and cajoling for a particular outcome.
But "walking around money" - cash to get out the vote - is legal everywhere - http://www.slate.com/id/2202955/
In 2004, John Kerry spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on Philadelphia street money, and ward leaders received checks for as much as $8,000. Individual volunteers can generally expect anywhere from $10 to $200, depending on the location and the type of work they're doing.
The practice is legal everywhereÂit's protected by the First AmendmentÂbut some states have tougher restrictions than others. In Philadelphia, committee people can hand out cash for any reason, as long as they're not paying someone for their vote. (The U.S. Code prohibits vote purchasing.) In New Jersey, campaign officials have to pay the workers in checks and their names, addresses, and amounts paid must be submitted to the Election Law Enforcement Commission. Presidential campaigns are always required to report the money to the Federal Elections Commission.
Federal law trumps state law. I don't see a legal reason why this couldn't be done. It's a checkbox on a form, not someone directly giving someone money.
Yes, many people would lie about it and just take the money even if they didn't vote. I don't mind. It's more cash in the economy. And some number will be encouraged to turn out anyway, so it's still a good thing.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #345,576
8/2/11 11:21:35 AM
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It has to be national
To be fair, a voting incentive has to be national. Having different reward systems in different states would be worse then the current system, since states with higher rewards would tend to have higher levels of voting. The small population states could afford to give out better rewards, which would lead to them being even more over represented in Congress.
Jay
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Post #345,577
8/2/11 11:25:02 AM
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Wouldn't do much
Without some enforcement mechanism it wouldn't do much. People would simply lie on their tax returns. It would be like when the IRS began requiring SSNs for children and the population of the US dropped by 7 million.
Jay
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Post #345,588
8/2/11 1:54:57 PM
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It's only appropriate to pay for votes...
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Post #345,610
8/2/11 9:41:07 PM
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That's what Boehner did
with envelopes of cash he got from the tobacco companies.
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #345,665
8/4/11 8:22:52 AM
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It was checks. Watch the video linked in my post. ;0)
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Post #345,607
8/2/11 8:58:14 PM
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There might be simpler problems to solve first.
What days are elections held on? Australia puts polling days on Saturdays so as to maximise the number of people able to get to their local polling booth. I know your presidential election is on a Tuesday. That works if people can take a few hours off to vote.
Why are there so many electoral authorities? Actually, I know that one. It has to do with the states being a lot closer to miniature nations of their own than mere sub-divisions of a nation like in most other countries. A federal election authority that does all the work across the country that all those local ones do would solve a lot of problems.
(Most countries do not have compulsory voting, incidentally. And I don't think most of the US citizens would tolerate even considering it. From what I've seen, most would consider it an infringement of their rights.)
Wade.
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Post #345,659
8/4/11 1:30:15 AM
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Couldn't hoit..
Cheap enough to be worth a try IMO. The place needs SOMEthing to shake up the apathy.
(The cynics would, in any event ponder how many lied each time
--of course; that's a variant of the HK? Japanese? businessman's query, "just how corrupt Are Americans, anyway??")
Who knows, just maybe the Free Free Free! aspect could garner a few.. shamed into actually paying attention, for the first time.
My 100 USSR-of-A Freedom dollars
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Post #345,660
8/4/11 2:03:31 AM
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I sent it off. We'll see what happens (no expectations).
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