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New Dunno.
Paul knows his economics, but he really doesn't get the politics that Obama has had to work under. IMO. The votes haven't been there to do more. E.g. does Paul think that Obama would have vetoed a Public Option? I don't. The votes weren't there.

This is just the opening salvo in a 463 day battle.

The cuts this year are only $22 B (or maybe as little as $7B). Supposedly this deal also takes a battle over the Continuing Resolution off the table.

http://swampland.tim...al/#ixzz1Tnh5WFUj

The Republicans wanted to gut the ACA via this process. They wanted to force Obama to beg the Congress for a debt ceiling increase every 6-9 months. They wanted $100B in cuts this year.

He prevented all that.

He wanted a "grand bargain" to take these budget battles off the table, and to force the Republicans to finally break with their destructive "no taxes under any circumstances" pledge. That hasn't happened quite yet, but it's still early.

The ace in his hand is the end of the Bush tax cut extension. The Republicans know this.

I'm not willing to write Obama off just yet. But we'll see what happens.

I expect him to win in November 2012, but if he loses, all bets are off. :-(

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New He's also made them look like fanatical idiots.
The sort you probably shouldn't have elected.

Even I could see the difference in Obama's TV address from the Reps. His stance was "we're trying to compromise to stop a disaster". Their's was "we won't stop until we get want we want".

Smart move appealing to the public; I bet a lot of Republicans heard a lot more about their constiuents' views than they really wanted to. :-)

Wade.
Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
New No votes for public option?
Really? It was very close. And it DID pass the House.

"We had it, we wanted it ... it's not in the reconciliation," Pelosi said at her weekly press briefing. "It isn't in there because [the Senate doesn't] have the votes to have it in there."

Momentum had been building to reintroduce the government-run plan. Over 40 senators have endorsed a letter sponsored by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC) that called for senators to pass the public option using the budget reconciliation process.

http://thehill.com/b...be-in-health-bill

It would have helped if we'd had a little leadership from the White House. Like, for instance, he could have written about the public option in this editorial: http://www.nytimes.c....html?ref=opinion and not, as he did, send the message that he was ready to cave in to his Wall Street masters through his minions as he did here:
"Racing to regain control of the health-care debate, two top administration officials signaled Sunday that the White House may be willing to jettison a controversial government-run insurance plan favored by liberals," The Washington Post front-pages. "As President Obama finishes a western swing intended to bolster support for his signature policy initiative, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius opened the door to a compromise on a public option, saying it is 'not the essential element' of comprehensive reform. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said on CBS's 'Face the Nation' that Obama 'will be satisfied' if the private insurance market has 'choice and competition.'"

http://firstread.msn...-no-public-option

I was on Ralph Nader's list and the Baucus Panel would not take testimony from ANYONE who favored national health insurace. It was largely accepted that the reason that panel would not hear anything about single payer healthcare (which was supported by a majority of Americans) was because the White House did not want it heard.

What was it he said? "If you want to be a leader, you have to lead."

This turkey has been everything I thought he was going to be.
New The problem was always getting 60 in the Senate.
At least at one point, most members of both bodies wanted a Public Option. But there weren't enough votes - 60 - to get it through the Senate.

It was going to die in the Senate if Obama tried to force a Public Option through.

http://www.democrati...dress=132x8516732

An OpEd wasn't going to change Ben Nelson's or Blanche Lincoln's minds. With 13 Blue Dogs actively opposed, or not willing to support it, even Reconciliation with 51 votes wasn't going to happen.

Obama knows how to count votes. Boehner apparently is still learning. ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New He only needed 11 more for reconciliation.
40 were already on record. But by then he had caved in. That's what I meant about leadership. Strong arming people instead of doing what he always does - leave the Progressives out on a limb by themselves. This is what I expected he would do and why I said his election in 2008 would be a catastrophe for progressive politics.

The bottom line is that he had majorities in both houses and a mandate from the masses. He was incompetent at the task of using that power and provide(d/s) absolutely no cover for any Senator or Congressman who dares have an idea inconsistent with the will of Obama's Wall Street backers. It's Government Sachs and President Wall Street, as predicted.
New Getting a bit tired of the whining
Hey, I have health insurance.

1st time in 3 years.

I have a very odd genetic illness. Won't kill me, but might require an occasional expensive treatment.

There was NO way I could afford non-employer provided coverage. The few that would actually cover me would charge many multiples over the standard.

And now? All of them HAVE to at least offer it, and then the cost is evenly spread out no matter which one takes me on, since any of them could be assuming the same risk, rather than 90% cherry picking and saying no, and 10% charging huge amounts for coverage.

Affordabley, at least to me.

So, what do YOU want? Oh yeah, a socialist paradise. And you are PISSED when you don't get it, and blame the 1 guy who actually probably agrees with you, and works within the system to move in that direction.

Too slow?

Who should he kill to implement your plans?

Whiner
New Start with bankers, then Wall Street traders.
Then corporate boards.

Edit: I was going to leave the joke and say nothing more because you can't seem to get it. My position is that no one should profit from some one's illness, least of all accountants, CIEFO's, shareholders and the rest of those who do not in any way participate in the delivery of healthcare, but capitalize on it anyway. In short, I want what virtually every other person living in the industrialized world outside of the United States already has - a right to healthcare not predicated upon the proposition that non-actors in the delivery of my healthcare must profit financially from its delivery.

"Socialist utopia" indeed. Nice try. But what I'm really talking about is "reality" virtually everywhere except here.
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Aug. 4, 2011, 02:20:54 PM EDT
New Why not?

My position is that no one should profit from some one's illness, least of all accountants, CIEFO's, shareholders and the rest of those who do not in any way participate in the delivery of healthcare, but capitalize on it anyway.


Yes, there are levels upon levels of skimming going on. But ya know something? Someone just told me that it should be illegal for companies to make more than 10%. He was referring to the drug companies. He was under the mistaken impression that just because a federally funded school discovered the key element of a new drug, after that all the drug company did was "bring it to market".

It can cost hundreds of millions to bring a drug to market. He forgot about that.

You wanna tell me who is paying for that? Shall we now have a government board to determine the direction of R&D, and also pays for the testing. Should make it cheaper. Of course, at that point, why do the research? Why take things to market? The only time someone gambles with those type of numbers is when there is a serious payback on the horizon. I have NO faith in any government directed and funded program to make a sustained drug research and production effort. The people in charge spend all there time in CYA mode, and this means they will approve almost nothing for the next step. They have NO incentive to.
New You trust bidness?
http://www.fda.gov/d...calls/default.htm

Good thing the government's looking out for you.

New Of course not
But you can't have it both ways.
Somebody needs to PUSH new drugs through the system.
It takes a certain level of crazyness.
I don't TRUST these people. That would be stupid.
But I TRUST there is an incentive to push the science forward and turn pure discoveries into usable drugs. I TRUST that some of them will kill me, and others might save me.
And that is the only way to move forward.

Well? What do you want? A protective government that controls all R&D and production and has NO incentive to do anything, or a bunch of crazies, some of which will discover and peddle the cure for cancer, others who will try to sell you snake oil.

Remember this saying:
You pretend to pay us and we pretend to work?

There was a reason the Soviets stagnated, no matter how wonderful the ideal is.
New And how many would have died of polio?
If it hadn't been for Salk refusing personal profit? Bidness doesn't do anything it can't make money on. It always cracks me up to hear the euphemisms in "Vision Statements" and the like. The only reason any business exists is to make money for the shareholders. Think the government doesn't already fund the majority of drug research? Think again. Google "university drug discoveries" some time. Lilly spends roughly 17 dollars on advertising for every dollar it spends on research. Take government grants to universities out of drug research and see what happens.

There are some things the government does that it is uniquely qualified to do. Pure research is one of them. In bidness, you better be damned sure you're going to discover something the shareholders are going to be able to make money on in 10 months. Or you can forget the company paying for your research. We're about to learn a painful lesson about that now that the Big O has decided to "privatize" NASA. Sit back and watch how well that works. Most big discoveries come serendipitously. Bidness won't stand for that, but researchers at universities - with government grants - do it every day.

Making a buck is not the only motivation for most people. And personally, I don't want anyone who is driven exclusively by the pursuit of profit making decisions about my healthcare. It should be obvious why, but I'll elaborate: for such a person given the choice between greater profit for them or better health for me, I will lose 100% of the time.
New Some good points. But NASA does a lot more than LEO.
LEO == low earth orbit.

http://www.nasa.gov/.../sites/index.html

Even if some companies throw stuff up to the ISS instead of NASA doing it itself, that doesn't mean that all of NASA is going away. There's too much cutting edge stuff that companies still aren't going to do (hypersonics, deep space, earth sensing, etc., etc.).

Cheers,
Scott.
New Vision statements
When I was a corporate drone, I used to catch a lot of attitude about the vision statements I wrote. Because they always started (at least the first draft, before I got "corrected") with some variation on "make money by..."

Because that is really what it is all about. And a lot of people seem to forget it, both inside and outside the company. Forgetting it outside the company leads to unwarranted trust. Forgetting it inside leads to waste and failed efforts.

It is not a fault of corporations that they are there to make money any more than it is a fault of a lion that its function is to kill. It is a fault of the population when it decides lions are cute and cuddly and ought to be kept in the house - i.e. votes Republican.
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Badass! (and delicious)
     'The President Surrenders' - (Ashton) - (20)
         more often than not, Krugman is right - (lincoln) - (6)
             Reich also spells that out for slow readers - (Ashton) - (5)
                 Reich has a similar blindness to Krugman. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                     Re: Reich has a similar blindness to Krugman. - (Ashton) - (3)
                         Booman's take - Know your enemies. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             Wise words.. - (Ashton) - (1)
                                 counter with a quote from some commentary - (boxley)
         Dunno. - (Another Scott) - (12)
             He's also made them look like fanatical idiots. - (static)
             No votes for public option? - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                 The problem was always getting 60 in the Senate. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     He only needed 11 more for reconciliation. - (mmoffitt)
                 Getting a bit tired of the whining - (crazy) - (7)
                     Start with bankers, then Wall Street traders. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                         Why not? - (crazy) - (5)
                             You trust bidness? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                 Of course not - (crazy) - (3)
                                     And how many would have died of polio? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                         Some good points. But NASA does a lot more than LEO. - (Another Scott)
                                         Vision statements - (mhuber)

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