http://townhall.com/.../2011/06/19/88886
apt cartoon
heckuva energy policy brownie
http://townhall.com/.../2011/06/19/88886
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Laws-of-Physics ... ain't CO-2 a Bitch?
I could almost see voting for -- via RC |
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no, its either a gas, liquid or solid, depends on temp
so tell me oh wise one, we have a solution for it on the space station, why are we not looking at doing the same here?
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$150B for half a dozen people. Yeah, that'll work.
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you talking cap and trade costs and benefit again?
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No, Space Station costs and occupancy. HTH.
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the scrubbers themselves dont cost that much
and if a byproduct is saleable then cleaning up c02 is a win
http://www.physorg.c...ews204365658.html Another advantage of the biological system is that it requires no heating or cooling, and no toxic chemicals. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
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TANSTAAFL.
Lots of people have been working on carbon sequestration using accelerated natural processes for quite a while. It's not a simple nor cheap problem.
E.g. from 2000 - http://dge.stanford....Caldeira_Rau.html Abstract (Emphasis added.) It takes a lot of energy input to make it efficient. E.g. presumably the limestone would have to be trucked in, crushed to suitable dust; the power plant exhaust would have to be filtered to separate toxic things other than CO2 to control the pH, etc., etc. On the Space Station, they have a nearly unlimited budget by comparison. About the only constraint is mass - mass is very expensive. But if some gizmo that filters/captures/transforms CO2 is very light costs a lot and needs a lot of power, that's not a big deal. One of the gizmo on the space station is the ISS CDRA - http://en.wikipedia....talisation_system . Photos are here - http://onorbit.com/node/1945 - it's not simple. It's had problems over the years. Cheers, Scott. |
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so when are your parents moving in with you and J?
and siblings of coarse since the only answer you seem to have is to force everyone into the 7th century technology by fiat. Hmm sounds just like another plan folks in Iran have :-)
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Physics vs Petulance: guess which wins.
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Physics vs Petulance: guess which wins.
apparently the petulant ones since the science is clear, technology catching up but the apocalypticals want us all to live in mud huts riding bicycles
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Eh?
I'm just saying that scrubbers aren't cheap, and (trying to get back on topic), the solution to high oil prices isn't drilling more. We've been round and round on that, but to recap:
1) It can take years for new wells to start producing and for that new oil to get to market. Issuing new deep water permits isn't going to do anything about gas prices in the next year or more. 2) US oil reserves are tiny. 22.3 Bbbl at the end of 2009 - http://www.eia.gov/o..._reserves/cr.html KSA claims 267 Bbbl - http://en.wikipedia....s_in_Saudi_Arabia At 18.8 Mbbl/day, if the US only consumed its own oil, and all the reserves are produced, it would be gone in 1187 days - a little over 3 years. Shale oil and the like aren't a near-term solution - it's dirty (and more expensive to refine), requires a lot of water - and the water and the shale are often in different places, etc. That's going to be expensive, too. 3) Oil is a global commodity. Producing more here isn't going to matter to prices if world consumption grabs that increment and more. See #2. 4) We know that the cheap oil is running out. Prices are going to rise over the long term no matter what we do. Things can be done in the short term to punish the speculators, but the long term trend is up. We need to get off the treadmill. The solution isn't to "drill baby drill" and spend billions on scrubbers in order to keep driving larger and larger cars and trucks, it's to do things more efficiently so that we don't need to consume so much in the first place, and to invest in ways of producing power (and portable power) that doesn't require burning stuff. I'm not a Luddite. I simply think that assuming our future is some larger version of 1950s America is stupid. Remember this? From National Lampoon in 1972 - http://pics.livejour...mes/pic/0049dtgz/ Looks like it's about 15' wide... ;-) Another is here - http://dr-hermes.liv...l.com/480553.html YMMV. [edit:] crazy needs a Bossmobile. http://www.flickr.co...3/in/photostream/ Be sure to catch Bruce's TED talk too - http://www.ted.com/t...ux_nostalgia.html (12:57) Cheers, Scott. |
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even if we went to no gas, all electric
you will still be sending hyarge amounts of c02 into the air, we need to recycle that and saying it is too expensive is poor planning
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One lie in the cartoon
"Drill offshore?" "No!"
Obama's administration has, in fact, issued over two hundred and seventy since he was sworn into office. It will take some digging but I recall that the oil industry is sitting on thousands of permits for drilling in the Gulf of Mexico ... but they're not using them. http://crooksandliar...alls-out-bachmann "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow |
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read it and weep demo boy
http://ecocentric.bl...lling-moratorium/
Frustrated twice by the federal courtsÂwhich had overturned his original temporary moratorium on deepwater drillingÂPresident Obama Monday evening decided to do what most of us have probably wanted to do when denied by someone in a position of authority: he went ahead anyway. (Sometimes it's good to be President.) Interior Secretary Ken Salazar directed the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement (BOEM)Âthe government agency formerly known as the Minerals Management Service (MMS)Âto issue new suspensions of deepwater drillingso "Drill offshore?" "No!" is in fact accurate Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
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That moratorium was lifted in Oct 2010
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