Post #343,674
6/13/11 9:45:21 PM
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The chimera of "voter fraud" by RepubliCANTS
In briefing filed with the Supreme Court in the Crawford v. Marion County Election Board case, the State of Indiana and several of its allied amici again fail to justify Indiana's photo ID law. They recite various examples of problems that the challenged law would not solve. They fail, however, to provide any evidence that in-person impersonation fraud  the only misconduct that photo ID rules could possibly prevent  is a problem, let alone one justifying the burdens of a restrictive photo ID rule.
In these submissions, it is easy to get distracted by noise. The briefs  submitted by the State of Indiana, the U.S. Department of Justice, the Attorney Generals of nine states, a national political party, members of Congress, various election officials, and several nonprofit organizations  contain more than 250 citations to reports of election problems.
But not one of the sources cited shows proof of a vote that Indiana's law could prevent. That is, not one of the citations offered by Indiana or its allies refers to a proven example of a single vote cast at the polls in someone else's name that could be stopped by a pollsite photo ID rule.
Even including suspected but unproven reports of fraud, the State and its allies have uncovered remarkably little evidence of any misconduct that Indiana's law could prevent. Out of almost 400 million votes cast in general elections alone since 2000,2 the briefs cite one attempt at impersonation that was thwarted without a photo ID requirement, and nine unresolved cases where impersonation fraud at the polls was suspected but not proven.3 Nine possible examples out of hundreds of millions  and these nine cases might just as well have been due to clerical
error. Not one of these cited reports occurred in Indiana.
Whole 75 page article here: http://www.truthabou...rdAllegations.pdf
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #343,690
6/14/11 6:24:41 AM
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Remember, when Republicans talk about voter fraud , , ,
what they really mean is too many brown people are allowed to vote.
I think the single most compelling piece of evidence for global warming is that Fox News viewers think it's a hoax.
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Post #343,697
6/14/11 8:02:56 AM
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dead people have historically voted in Indiana
giancana put 3 cemeteries on the rolls to get kennedy the win in 63. Of course the dems wont tolerate showing an ID to vote even tho you need ID to buy cigarettes
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
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Post #343,707
6/14/11 11:19:47 AM
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And some legitimate votes don't count.
Mine in 2008, for instance. >:0(
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Post #343,781
6/15/11 9:18:02 PM
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maybe if actual voting fraud existing
at a level that's even 1% of what RepubliCANTS are saying it is, there might be justification to what they say.
A favorite Fzaux Noise talking point from my Birther coworker was the "revelation" that recent voter registration forms collected by ACORN personnel had the names of Mickey Mouse and the defensive line of the Dallas Cowboys on them. He says that picture IDs will prevent people from multiple voting and pretending to be people they're not. I asked him to provide proof that someone actually TRIED TO VOTE as Mickey Mouse or a member of the defensive line of the Dallas Cowboys - because that is actual voter fraud and is already against federal law.
His response? Sounds of crickets chirping.
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #343,803
6/16/11 8:08:23 AM
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I guess he doesnt understand how google works
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
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Post #343,830
6/16/11 7:56:26 PM
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"38 fraudulent or forged ballots"
without giving the size of the voting population in the county or the number of registered voters who voted in the election from which Fox News gave this number, we don't have proper context.
And these were absentee ballots, so recent laws pushed by RepubliCANTS for voter picture ID cards are not relevant.
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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