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New Anyone here use e-readers and buy ebooks?
I've started looking an intend to buy one soon. But the ebook market is still uhh developing. It's strangely expensive to buy ebooks of established authors. Well it is in Australia, anyway.

Wade.
Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
Expand Edited by static June 4, 2011, 11:51:44 PM EDT
New Bump
I need to give a recommendation for what reader to get my father-in-law, and I have no idea what to suggest.
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Drew
New Well...
First, I have absolutely zero experience with a Kindle, a Nook, or anything else that isn't an iPad.

Second, get an iPad. You get a book reader built-in, and it does far more than *JUST* let you read books. Sure, it costs more. But it's not that much more money, and it does do that much more stuff. That should justify the cost (if you can afford it in the first place.) I know you're in Oz, so I don't know about the different plans down there, but I have the 3G version because I bought it as a business expense, so I can use it when I'm not at home. If you don't have pretentions of doing that, then the Wifi version should suffice.

(Note: I have the iPad v1, and have not used a v2. The magnetic cover that puts it in hibernate mode looks nice. Not sure how much I'd use FaceTime even if I had it. Still requires Wifi to use FaceTime.)

(Edit, and a further Note: I do not really use the iPad as a reading device. I much prefer the tactile feel of an actual dead tree in my hands for reading. Not a screen.)
-Mike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Expand Edited by mvitale June 3, 2011, 11:51:33 PM EDT
New Kindle here
I wouldn't have purchased one myself, but I received mine as a gift half a year ago, and have enjoyed it. I've filled it up (well no; haven't come near to filling it) with old space operas and commute reads that I might otherwise have consumed as mass market paperbacks, and with political ephemera (presently reading Nixonland). I can't offer comparisons with the competing platforms, but I'm well pleased with this one as a dedicated reader: compact, lightweight, great battery life.

cordially,
New Bought the wife a kindle for Christmas
I have to admit I'm impressed with it.
New Ditto. And she loves it.
New And how...
And how do you know my wife loves it? <loL>
New :-)
New Re: Anyone here use e-readers and buy ebooks?
My folks got Kindles last year and love them. I tried them out and was impressed, but didn't get one as I knew I'd be getting an iPad.

I've been using iBooks to read the Earth's Children series (Clan of the Cave Bear, etc.) on my iPad 2. I'm on book 4 now and like it for the most part. One of the extras that came with CotCB was video interviews with the author - not something the Kindle could do(the latest Nook probably can).

The only issue I have with iBooks is it doesnt support a "night mode" where the display is dark with light text. I've read some free (out of copyright) books, like the John Carter of Mars series, via the app eReader and it has that feature. With it you can customize the colors used for both the day and night modes. I did find a workaround for iBooks - in the iPad's settings I set General -> Accessibility -> Triple-click Home to the Toggle White on Black option. Now triple clicking the home button puts the display in a photo-negative mode. Works fine for reading (though I'd prefer amber text on black), but sure makes those author interviews look funky :)

Edit: one thing I really find handy in iBooks is the built in dictionary. Just touch a word for a second to bring up a context menu to get to the definition.
Expand Edited by SpiceWare June 4, 2011, 02:41:07 AM EDT
New Yep
I used to use the Kindle app on my iPhone. Well, I still do, but I also use it on my iPad 2.

Thoughts:

1) The Kindle app is better than iBooks in my opinion, as it has white-on-black (or sepia) built in, the dictionary stuff, and notes/highlighting. An interesting twist with highlighting: if enough people highlight a particular passage, you can tell the Kindle app to subtly underline it for you as well.

2) Reading non-Kindle books (PDF, ePub, etc) is not possible without an actual physical Kindle reader. I use iBooks for that.

3) Much as I love reading a real, tactile book, the Kindle on the iPad is not a bad substitute. It's about the size of an open paperback, and the auto-bookmark features are well worth the change in format. I find that I have the time to read the books on my phone or iPad much more often than the real ones at the house, because I can read in line at the post office, prop it up while I'm eating at my desk, etc.

4) Reading at night without a nightlight is more useful than being able to read in bright sunlight, in my opinion.

5) Auto-bookmark rocks my face. Read a bit in line on my phone, go back to the office, pick up the iPad and it asks if I want to advance to the last read position on the phone. Nice.

6) Because of the time-to-read factor, I find myself buying many more eBooks than physical. I have two real books at home that I started months ago, and in the interim I've read probably 10-20 eBooks.

7) A phone is a much more portable form factor than a paperback, and the small screen really isn't a detriment. Plus I always have my phone with me. I don't always have a Doc E. E. Smith novel, however.

8) With the apps for phone and tablets, I don't see why anyone would need a physical Kindle or Nook. Unless they like to read on the beach in bright sunlight or something.

9) Due to price and availability, I have yet to buy a book through iBooks. They're all Kindle, except for one ePub technical book I bought through Packt.

10) You can find eBooks for titles that you'd never find in a bookstore. It's like the difference between Netflix and a movie store.

11) eBooks are more expensive than paperbacks, less than hardcover. Although older titles that are out of print or not in demand are usually quite cheap.

12) Sample books on Kindle! Read the first couple of chapters and find out that you can't stand the book before you pay for it. Actually, get the free app for your phone, tablet, or computer and try a book out before you buy the physical version too.

13) Books over Wifi is much better than discovering you really only had 3 pages of prose and 40 pages of glossary left in the paperback you brought for a 30-60 minute wait.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Expand Edited by malraux June 4, 2011, 10:06:19 AM EDT
Expand Edited by malraux June 4, 2011, 10:08:53 AM EDT
New I have a Nook Color
Its not bad...BUT

iPad is more functional...BUT...

The standard nook and kindle with the ink displays are MUCH BETTER for reading. No glare. Great in direct light.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Well...
if you have a Nook Color you have a Linux Tablet just for the making.
New when the ipad2 comes...in about 2 weeks :-)
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Can't pick one spot to reply...
I should have posted a much longer question, but was a bit limited for time when I asked. This is a bit of an infodump about my research in the last few weeks.

The iPad.

I really don't need another multi-functional device, which makes the iPad less attractive than it could be. I currently use a small laptop for writing, and my Android phone is at least adequate for music, mobile twitter and the occasional mobile internet lookup (usually just Wikipedia). Besides, I'm wary of buying into the Cult Of Steve Jobs And His Walled Garden. OTOH, I did have a fiddle with a friend's iPad for reading ebooks and was not impressed. The screen is very bright and stark - more so than either of my laptops. It's also the most expensive option.

The Kindle.

Buying from Amazon is a potentially a big advantage with this, but it's a lock-in. Fortunately, there are Ways Around That. I played with another friend's Kindle 2 the other day. I found the screen just a tad small and the refresh speed was just a bit slow, though I could get used to it. I also didn't like the quirky UI, nor was it comfortable to hold to read, which surprised me somewhat.

Now, granted, this was an early Kindle (first international version). Newer ones might feel different. But they still have that rather quirky UI.

The Nook.

If B&N marketed the Nook Color in Australia, it would almost be a done deal. Almost. The choice of LCD over e-ink I would have to try out. It might be the iPad problem again. I am tempted to see if I can buy one off eBay or just punt with their website (it's been done by other Aussies).

One thing about the Nook that is attractive is that it can play Vorbis music files, just like my phone. Whilst I don't intend to use the e-reader for music, I rather like having that seamless option (with the iPad I'd have to rip my CDs again and into iTunes, as well, which I dislike).

Sony e-reader.

This is currently on the top of my list. My Mum has a 350, which is the 5" screen. Considerably faster refresh than the Kindle 2, and a touch screen, which makes the UI quite a bit nicer. But I find the 5" screen a bit small which is the *only* reason I hadn't bought one.

Unfortunately, the larger 650 (6" screen and memory card slots) is *extremely* popular and coupled with a shortage due to the tsunami in Japan, they are very hard to locate.

Other e-ink readers.

Made by other manufacturers trying to jump on the bandwagon, I tried one of them in a local electronics store. :-/ It was almost as much as the Sony, which gives you an insight into how expensive the e-ink screens are - but it was considerably slower, which showed they cut costs by using a slower processor. No sale.

Android tablets.

There is potential here, if the market segment could mature. I had a play with a Motorola Xoom a few weeks ago and really liked it as a technology platform, but didn't like the way Motorola had skinned it. They would have the same advantages of the iPad and the Nook Color all rolled into one. But there's still the LCD vs e-ink issue. And possibly the price.

Android phone.

I currently have one: it's a HTC Hero running Android 1.5. This limits the choice of e-readers, unfortunately, and the only one I've found is called Laputa, which sucks. But what sucks harder is the screen is too small for reading fiction. Ugh. Not even an Android upgrade could fix that.

E-book prices.

I've been doing more writing recently and have also found lots of information about self-publishing e-books. And a lot of information about how the current paper-based publishing system is actually quite broken. The publishing industry, as greedy as ever, seem to have decided they are going to teach the consumers that mass-market paperbacks have always been too cheap and we'd rather you finally paid something closer to the full hardback price, please. This, I'm guessing, is why ebooks are *more* expensive than paperbacks. I've already upset one ebook-selling website when I tweeted about this, but they can't change the price the publisher sets.

Little naive me had been expecting ebooks from established authors were going to be cheaper and that I could buy ebooks of new titles by familiar authors. I can see this is not going to happen quickly. But instead, I can use it to find and read new authors who are *not* signing up to the traditional publishing model.

Wade.
Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
New Re: Can't pick one spot to reply...
Besides, I'm wary of buying into the Cult Of Steve Jobs And His Walled Garden. OTOH, I did have a fiddle with a friend's iPad for reading ebooks and was not impressed. The screen is very bright and stark - more so than either of my laptops. It's also the most expensive option.
The walled garden sucks for Flash, but on the other hand the malware for Android and the multiple hardware incompatibilities for the Droid phones isn't that great either. On the iPad with Kindle (or any other LCD book reader that supports this color scheme), use the white on black color scheme for reading, it's much better.

On screen size for you phone: have you actually tried it for a full book? I found that the small form factor was actually a plus. Make sure you set the font size properly.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New The Flash "Walled Garden" is coming down later this year.
-Mike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New Reference?
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New Maybe this: Wallaby
From March: http://arstechnica.c...ml5-converter.ars

HTML5 may one day be the future of rich interactive Web content and advertising, but at the moment Adobe Flash remains the tool of choice for designers everywhere. That's a problem when exciting new smartphone and tablet platforms don't support Flash. To resolve that difference, Adobe has published a prerelease version of Wallaby: a program that converts Flash files to HTML5, using JavaScript, CSS, and SVG to produce Flash-like graphics that don't need plug-ins.

First demonstrated at last year's Adobe MAX2010 conference, the tool is currently quite limited. Neither Flash scripting nor embedded video and sound are migrated, and some of the more advanced visual effects like blends and 3D transformations are similarly unsupported. The output is also currently restricted to WebKit-based browsers—principally Safari, Safari Mobile, and Chrome—due to its use of WebKit-specific animation functionality. The tool is not yet suitable for migration of rich interactive content like games, and the lack of support for Flash scripting means that even simpler interactions will have to be rewritten using JavaScript.

[...]


But that's just a quick guess.

OTOH, there's this from earlier this week: http://www.appleinsi...ominate_ipad.html

HTH a little.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Yeah, I have tried reading in my phone.
I even said so (Laputa on my HTC Hero). But I haven't tried a modern work on it. I should do that.

Interesting comment about the font size. I routinely use tiny fonts for other things on my phone. When I looked at a friend's Kindle and my mother's Sony they were both set to their owners' preferred font sizes which were probably larger than my preference. That might make the smaller Sony a reasonable proposition.

Wade.
Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
New Just like CDs
"Oh sure, the price is a little higher at first while we convert to the new hardware. But once the system is up and running the cost can come down because the technology makes it cheaper to print each unit."

Umm ... it's been a few decades. Have you recovered the cost of conversion yet.

"Huh? What are you talking about?"

...



Repeat as necessary for newspaper industry, who are determined to act as though they're in the newspaper industry and not the newspaper industry.
--

Drew
New +4 on perspicuous <b>bolding</b> :-)
     Anyone here use e-readers and buy ebooks? - (static) - (20)
         Bump - (drook)
         Well... - (mvitale)
         Kindle here - (rcareaga) - (4)
             Bought the wife a kindle for Christmas - (S1mon_Jester) - (3)
                 Ditto. And she loves it. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                     And how... - (S1mon_Jester) - (1)
                         :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
         Re: Anyone here use e-readers and buy ebooks? - (SpiceWare)
         Yep - (malraux)
         I have a Nook Color - (beepster) - (2)
             Well... - (folkert) - (1)
                 when the ipad2 comes...in about 2 weeks :-) -NT - (beepster)
         Can't pick one spot to reply... - (static) - (7)
             Re: Can't pick one spot to reply... - (malraux) - (4)
                 The Flash "Walled Garden" is coming down later this year. -NT - (mvitale) - (2)
                     Reference? -NT - (malraux) - (1)
                         Maybe this: Wallaby - (Another Scott)
                 Yeah, I have tried reading in my phone. - (static)
             Just like CDs - (drook) - (1)
                 +4 on perspicuous <b>bolding</b> :-) -NT - (Ashton)

Aw, good for him.
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