Justice Kagan's dissent in Arizona CSTO v. Winn

Post #341,287 by Another Scott 4/4/11 11:33:53 PM Reply	Justice Kagan's dissent in Arizona CSTO v. Winn http://www.law.corne...ml/09-987.ZD.html A good read. She's right and Kennedy and the other 4 are wrong. (Via LawyersGunsMoneyBlog) Cheers, Scott.
Post #341,291 by boxley 4/5/11 8:41:26 AM Reply	she is wrong A tax credit, the Court asserts, does not injure objecting taxpayers, because it Âdoes not extract and spend [their] funds in service of an establishment.Â no spendy no supporty Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #341,296 by folkert 4/5/11 10:28:22 AM Reply	So... then Why should I pay MY taxes to a school/school system that isn;t good enough to teach my child well enough? I'm a person that sends my kid to a proven school, proven to challenge smart kids, proven to give kids excellent chances at getting superb secondary education. Why should I pay for a school system that doesn't even have a 50% college entrance/acceptance rate, due to grades and school reputation. IOW, my public school's High School kid graduating with a 4.0 average slides down to about a B- (effectively). Where as the school she is graduating from right now gives her extra points for even a B+ average (she has an "A" average) to get into Colleges and Universities. Why should I have to pay twice for my kid's primary education? Box, you talk of Communism/Socialism as being a bad way to go... but now you pull this? WTF, are you really a closet Obama supporter?
Post #341,297 by boxley 4/5/11 10:56:29 AM Reply	spendy supporty and if the local services that you pay taxes for are not up to snuff do something about it instead of opting out and then whining about it Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #341,311 by folkert 4/5/11 1:13:14 PM Reply	Dude... I tried for YEARS and two kids. Nobody wants to do anything about it... the local school board is adored by people hear. Everybody wins. Nobody loses... everybody gets a trophy or ribbon. Grade could well be in "Rainbows, Zebra, Lions and Tigers" for all the good they do. You forget Michigan has horrible schools. Probably some of the worst in the nation... and just recently a law was passed to allow those asshats that run the Michigan Board to take over school districts and dissolve any organization and combine them with neighboring school districts. It doesn't work to "do something about it instead of opting out and then whining about it". Everyone is out of work here, everyone hates taxes, everyone is just fine with little Jeffy getting a Rainbow++ on the paper they copied off the internet. Don't you DARE say what horrible parents they are for not pushing their kids.
Post #341,316 by beepster 4/5/11 3:10:25 PM Reply	Sounds like.. ...you would enjoy the AZ model of school choice then...so be happy the ruling was made in their favor. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #341,336 by jay 4/5/11 9:40:51 PM Reply	Kagen is right about the tax issue The difference between the government giving you $100 and the government reducing your taxes $100 is pretty academic. You still end up with $100 more and to pay for it the government needs to collect more from other people. I think there is more space to argue on the question of it violating establishment of religion or not, but that would depend on the technicality and practicalities of the program. A law like this could pass muster, if the program was actually fair and equal for all schools and the state insured that everybody had access to quality non-religious education, I don't see it as automatically illegal. In practice, I expect this falls into the same category as the voucher programs constantly being pushed around here. They are designed as backdoor subsidies to religious schools, and those behind the vouchers often intend them to funnel money away from public schools. Jay
Post #341,302 by beepster 4/5/11 11:16:56 AM Reply	No, she's not. Allowing tax credits to be shifted to AZ STO orgs does nothing to violate establishment. First, not every private school is a religious school (number in AZ hovers at about 75% religious affiliation). Second, on "establishment"...the credit is at the liberty of the individual contributor, who is free to choose amongst several STO organizations..and if that individual so chooses, can contribute to a non-denominational organization. So, she is wrong. School choice is not an establishment case, at least not in this instance. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.

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