Karsten quoted by El Reg yet again

I was wrestling with a Eudora mail migration / WinNT horkage issue at the time, Andrew was peaked from a day at JavaOne.

The key bit I was trying to get in there -- these "academic only" or "noncommercial use only" licenses basically keep you from being able to do anything useful. You can see the code. You can modify it. You can tweak it. But you can't use what you do with it. This, when there's a tremendous body of Java, Linux, GNU, and other truly free software code out there. This is a "frivolous uses only" license, it's yet another fivolous attempt by MSFT to get on the free software groove, without actually getting there.

The license itself isn't terribly different in spirit from one which came out 1998 or 1999 that I was asking the IWETHEY Group Mind (I keep calling it the IWETHEY Collective Memory) about. I remember it being a near rip of the GPL and BSD in large part, with some whacked patent clauses attached to it.

That said, if there are decent ideas in the code, this action makes lifting them quite easy. Unless that's part of the grand scheme, and there's a patent entrapment down the road.

Post #33,701 by Silverlock 3/28/02 10:32:51 AM Reply	Karsten quoted by El Reg yet again At the U. S. [link\|http://www.theregus.com/content/4/24468.html\|Register] regarding the so-called "shared source" license terms. The best scale for an experimental design is ten millimeters to the centimeter.
Post #33,704 by drewk 3/28/02 11:04:09 AM Reply	Didja notice the abbreviation? Now he's KMS. Damn, that's awfully similar to someone else's intitials. Now who was that I'm thinking of? === I can't be a Democrat because I like to spend the money I make. I can't be a Republican because I like to spend the money I make on drugs and whores.
Post #33,735 by jb4 3/28/02 1:35:54 PM Reply	Re: Didja notice the abbreviation? M for Milhouse? jb4 (Resistance is not futile...)
Post #33,737 by Another Scott 3/28/02 1:48:43 PM Reply	Shampoo?
Post #33,757 by inthane-chan 3/28/02 3:09:50 PM Reply	I know, I know... ...but I'm not gonna say it - I'll let somebody else figure it out on their own. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #33,760 by CRConrad 3/28/02 3:32:54 PM Reply	Quit stalling, man - out with it!
Post #33,840 by kmself 3/29/02 2:49:10 PM Reply	Not one of my better performances I was wrestling with a Eudora mail migration / WinNT horkage issue at the time, Andrew was peaked from a day at JavaOne. The key bit I was trying to get in there -- these "academic only" or "noncommercial use only" licenses basically keep you from being able to do anything useful. You can see the code. You can modify it. You can tweak it. But you can't use what you do with it. This, when there's a tremendous body of Java, Linux, GNU, and other truly free software code out there. This is a "frivolous uses only" license, it's yet another fivolous attempt by MSFT to get on the free software groove, without actually getting there. The license itself isn't terribly different in spirit from one which came out 1998 or 1999 that I was asking the IWETHEY Group Mind (I keep calling it the IWETHEY Collective Memory) about. I remember it being a near rip of the GPL and BSD in large part, with some whacked patent clauses attached to it. That said, if there are decent ideas in the code, this action makes lifting them quite easy. Unless that's part of the grand scheme, and there's a patent entrapment down the road. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`

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