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New And our fight has been officially won!
Below is a link to the interview with Carol Bartz by USA Today. For some reason they left this part out of the typed transcript, but the first question is about Yahoo Groups, and she states without a doubt, we get to keep the choice for Classic.

(huge sigh of relief).

Finally, the war is won, and all the battles were worth it. :)

http://link.brightco...ctid=628449885001

Brenda
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New You forgot two words ... "for now"
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Drew
New Maybe...
But she didn't say that this time in the video. ;)

I mean, I get reality, nothing stays "forever" but on the other hand, we've made them think twice about changing something again that started the biggest mass exodus from Yahoo that has ever been seen, and the biggest public and private outcry. ;)

So I think we're safe for quite awhile, at least. :)

Brenda
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Expand Edited by Nightowl Oct. 11, 2010, 01:47:47 AM EDT
New *Someone* was surprised
Whoever had this idea was apparently convinced they were competing with Facebook. You (and whoever else was talking to them) explained to their bosses that no, you're doing mailing lists, which is very different.

The decision makers probably didn't know there was a difference when they agreed to the changes. What you're seeing is a PR version of, "That's not what they told me."

Now they're going to go back and hold meetings, where someone is going to make the case that they should be competing with Facebook, and they're not making any money on mailing lists. There are more people with their reputations pinned to this than just the public face that was sacrificed.
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Drew
New True, but they are still going to have the new interface
It's still going to compete with Facebook, but it isn't going to be forced onto those of us that can't use it to function with our groups.

And trust me, our groups are much more than "mailing lists" and we've proven that so many times in the last few weeks, it isn't funny. More people use the web interface, links, files, photos, etc. than they ever dreamed, and even those that use only the mailing lists had only one view of groups. We've all learned a lot about all the various ways they can be used, and believe me, it's been enlightening.

Oddly enough, the group I created to fight to save them, used just about EVERY feature available, (even some I'd never used like files and links), except maybe photos, and that's only because we haven't had a need for one yet. So we not only defended our group usages, we demonstrated just about all of them. ;)

Maybe enough of the younger generation will jump on the new look, and believe me, there are people in the Classic Groups who are willing to try the new look...but only if the bugs are all worked out, no more sudden reveals of previously private information, for example, and no functionality taken away.

So Yahoo, if it pays attention right, and plays it's hand well, could have the best of both worlds, and that's my group's new goal to achieve, to help them understand and develop that. :)

It just feels so good to have helped all the members involved b able to stand up as a united force and win this. :) It also helped them feel empowered, which makes me feel very good about it. :) Now they know without a doubt, they do have a voice, and it CAN be heard.

Brenda
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     I'm stunned... - (Nightowl) - (8)
         shows that they are paying attention -NT - (boxley) - (5)
             And our fight has been officially won! - (Nightowl) - (4)
                 You forgot two words ... "for now" -NT - (drook) - (3)
                     Maybe... - (Nightowl) - (2)
                         *Someone* was surprised - (drook) - (1)
                             True, but they are still going to have the new interface - (Nightowl)
         Don't be so awestruck - (drook) - (1)
             Wow, hadn't thought of it like that - (Nightowl)

Too late, some of us have already taken offense.
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