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Post #333,732 by Andrew Grygus 10/5/10 12:05:46 PM Reply	Yup, and a "reduced test case" . . . . . probably won't show the problem - "bug case closed".
Post #333,733 by hnick 10/5/10 2:10:47 PM Reply	Well, if you can't fix the problem, fix the spec :-(
Post #333,734 by SpiceWare 10/5/10 2:47:41 PM Reply	I can try to reduce it but it won't be until next week as my folks are in town from Trinidad.
Post #333,739 by Andrew Grygus 10/5/10 4:58:43 PM Reply	Oh, I can reduce it very easily, but . . . . . I think instead I'll W3C certify Cabbage Greens which is much shorter and it screws that up pretty bad. Interestingly, if the margin is moved after loading, either in or out, it is instantly corrected. Several other of the vegetable pages behave the same. The crash you have shown (text running over pictures and text) rarely appears on my system even on the fish page.
Post #333,746 by Andrew Grygus 10/5/10 11:11:07 PM Reply	And here it is. Cabbage greens displays correctly in Chrome but Safari screws up the "<br clear="left"> quite badly. Again if the margins are changed even slightly it displays correctly, but if the page is reloaded at the new margins it's bad again. I'd appreciate hearing how it looks on a Mac. http://www.clovegard...red/cb_green.html
Post #333,749 by Ashton 10/6/10 2:09:06 AM Reply	On a Mac Same deal; move width slightly -- things line up, stay fixed: after moving back to original setting (as close as you can mouse.) {sigh} Safari meets my minimal demands: adequacy. Not sure if it's still faster than FF. (NoScript is like a Swiss Army knife with 1800 blades.. maybe you could protect againse all Evil, but you must tell it about each one !!! ONE !!! incremental-Evil.)
Post #333,752 by folkert 10/6/10 7:34:39 AM Reply	Display at 1149 pixels wide... and I get cascading on every Subsection. Move the right side or left side one pixel larger or one pixel smaller, everything re-renders perfectly and lines up just like you want. Weird.

Hmmm . . . this is interesting: Safari and Chrome . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (40) - Sept. 26, 2010, 10:35:33 PM EDT

What's really interesting... - (malraux) - (11) - Sept. 26, 2010, 11:00:10 PM EDT

Thanks, I'll give that a try . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Sept. 26, 2010, 11:23:22 PM EDT

Different Scott... ;-) - (malraux) - (2) - Sept. 26, 2010, 11:30:19 PM EDT

Were you using a Mac? -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Sept. 26, 2010, 11:49:05 PM EDT

Yes. -NT - (malraux) - Sept. 27, 2010, 09:18:43 AM EDT

Timing issues, huh? - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Sept. 27, 2010, 01:21:47 AM EDT

Not just speed - (drook) - (5) - Sept. 27, 2010, 09:54:09 AM EDT

And there are quite a few of those on that page - (scoenye) - (4) - Sept. 28, 2010, 07:09:26 PM EDT

I've been over and over my nesting and closings . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Sept. 28, 2010, 09:36:45 PM EDT

Try the validator - (drook) - (2) - Sept. 28, 2010, 10:42:48 PM EDT

Not so much unbalanced nesting - (scoenye) - Sept. 28, 2010, 11:01:52 PM EDT

Yeah, a lot of values are not quoted . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 29, 2010, 01:12:03 AM EDT

Typo - "North American. buyers" -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 26, 2010, 11:00:55 PM EDT

Conclusion: Safari (Win) can't render W3C validated code. - (Andrew Grygus) - (26) - Oct. 3, 2010, 02:47:06 AM EDT

Interesting.. - (Ashton) - Oct. 3, 2010, 04:07:02 AM EDT

Re: Conclusion: Safari (Win) can't render W3C validated code - (mvitale) - Oct. 3, 2010, 09:28:09 AM EDT

Still shifted. - (malraux) - (7) - Oct. 3, 2010, 11:16:55 AM EDT

I was thinking that last as well. Must be something subtle. -NT - (Another Scott) - Oct. 3, 2010, 11:22:14 AM EDT

I have done the div thing mvitale suggested. - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Oct. 3, 2010, 11:57:49 AM EDT

Quick thought: Possible font substitutions? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2010, 12:04:06 PM EDT

Re: Quick thought: Possible font substitutions? - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 3, 2010, 12:11:04 PM EDT

Works. - (malraux) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2010, 12:10:51 PM EDT

It doesn't work for the other formatting problems though. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2010, 12:34:07 PM EDT

Not a fix, a replacement. -NT - (malraux) - Oct. 3, 2010, 12:52:05 PM EDT

weird issues - (SpiceWare) - (8) - Oct. 3, 2010, 01:49:16 PM EDT

Somebody updated it - (SpiceWare) - (7) - Oct. 5, 2010, 11:19:55 AM EDT

Yup, and a "reduced test case" . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Oct. 5, 2010, 12:05:46 PM EDT

Well, if you can't fix the problem, fix the spec :-( -NT - (hnick) - Oct. 5, 2010, 02:10:47 PM EDT

I can try to reduce it - (SpiceWare) - (4) - Oct. 5, 2010, 02:47:41 PM EDT

Oh, I can reduce it very easily, but . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Oct. 5, 2010, 04:58:43 PM EDT

And here it is. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Oct. 5, 2010, 11:11:07 PM EDT

On a Mac - (Ashton) - Oct. 6, 2010, 02:09:06 AM EDT

Display at 1149 pixels wide... - (folkert) - Oct. 6, 2010, 07:34:39 AM EDT

Just thought of something - (drook) - (5) - Oct. 3, 2010, 09:26:25 PM EDT

Yep. - (malraux) - Oct. 3, 2010, 10:50:07 PM EDT

Standard but deprecated - (scoenye) - Oct. 3, 2010, 11:08:00 PM EDT

I have specified doctype 4.1 transitional . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Oct. 4, 2010, 12:21:46 AM EDT

One way to consistently clear it... - (scoenye) - (1) - Oct. 4, 2010, 10:41:59 PM EDT

Re: "One way to consistently clear it... - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 4, 2010, 11:54:05 PM EDT

"Web Browser v2.30.2" or Epiphany... - (folkert) - Oct. 3, 2010, 10:45:51 PM EDT

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