6k times 5...30k, sound outlandish?

Post #333,029 by beepster 9/24/10 10:01:10 AM Reply	6k times 5...30k, sound outlandish? at 30k, assuming that the proper government formatted forms are used (lawyers are involved, think we can assume that a given)...represents 2 hours and 30 minutes work on a production volume scanner. (leaving 5hrs and 30 minutes per day for backscanning) Add enterprise OCR, such as http://www.brainware.com/ over top of a well designed document management system with a tad of intelligence thrown in (maybe that is reserved for that lowly clerk) to validate ownership transfer is properly reflected in the system, throw the originals (referenced by the doc mgt system to a storage box number, so when folks like drew who think paper is a must can go digging) into a numbered box and keep in in whatever bunker you like. Next? Total system expense for this for my county would be paid for by the taxes of the homes on my block., which, by the way, still has 10 empty lots. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #333,034 by drook 9/24/10 10:28:18 AM Reply	Where did I say I want paper? assuming that the proper government formatted forms are used Doesn't currently exist. Who would design them? Who would pay for all existing data interchanges to be updated? How long was your tax return last year? Mine was 35 pages once all the worksheets were added in, and that was a pretty simple return. Do you know how long a "standard" mortgage document would need to be to cover every possibility? The 30 pages Box mentioned is the simple ones. And they don't all have the same 30 pages. leaving 5hrs and 30 minutes per day for backscanning Backscanning of documents that predate the current system, and are frequently hand-written, not typed. Oh shit, all the historical paperwork would have to be entered by hand. And the stuff that's recorded electronically -- let's be wildly optimistic and say the last 30 years' worth -- still predate the standardized format, so every field has to be mapped, by hand. Add enterprise OCR So now you're not just trusting low-level bureaucrat to make a legal determination, you're trusting a computer program run by a bureaucrat. a well designed document management system Yes, because those are so easy to get right. "It's easy, it's easy, it's easy. Lalalalala ... I can't hear you." Not much of an argument there. -- Drew
Post #333,038 by beepster 9/24/10 10:42:54 AM Reply	Ok. fine. no progress is possible. Its too hard. I was never here. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #333,039 by malraux 9/24/10 10:49:03 AM Reply	Two things: ICLRPD: "So now you're not just trusting low-level bureaucrat to make a legal determination, you're trusting a computer program run by a bureaucrat." Having been a part of several projects that involved creating document management systems for governments, I can say that in my experience well-designed document management systems for governments simply do not exist. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #333,042 by beepster 9/24/10 10:55:08 AM Reply	Back to this. they are the responsible party for determining who owns property. and everyone seems to be resigned to the fact that they will do it badly. so now I guess I should go to pure libertarian status and just stop paying taxes. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #333,041 by beepster 9/24/10 10:52:21 AM Reply	Re: Where did I say I want paper? pbp. who is GREAT at designing forms? why, the government. not everything has to be scannable to OCR. relevant fields only. rest can be archived, stored to image. Same point on history. Not all needed to be ocr handled or keyed, as the current record is (hopefully) at least somewhere on a computed. And guess what, now I have a system by which that low level bureaucrat is used to validate a process instead of doing something like taking a piece of paper that has typing on it and re-typing it. And when its simply replacing a file cabinet, yes, they are easy to get right. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #333,043 by beepster 9/24/10 10:55:46 AM Reply	Forms http://www.hud.gov/o...ps/forms/hud1.cfm when's the last time you closed without one of these. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.

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