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8/12/10 6:59:31 AM
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Quiggin at CT: Why is there no Libertopia?
http://crookedtimber...2/not-going-galt/
It's too short, and he doesn't show his work (lots of steps are left out, and many conclusions don't directly follow from the assumptions), but it's an interesting piece. I think he's right that it can't work for a modern society.
Check the comments, too.
Not going Galt
by John Quiggin on August 12, 2010
HenryÂs post linking to Charlie Stross reminded me of one I was planning to do on the question  why has there never been a serious attempt at a real libertarian utopia? Most other utopian ideologies have inspired at least someone to attempt a practical implementation. On the face of it, libertarianism seems ideally suited to the belief in a fresh start, with no messy pre-existing claims. All sorts of ideas have been floated  island buyouts, sea-steading, co-ordinated moves to New Hampshire and so on, but none has gone anywhere. The only explanation IÂve seen, that libertarians are too independent and ornery to organise a utopia doesnÂt convince me.
Thinking about the discussion we had though, it strikes me that there is a simple explanation: Actually Existing Libertarianism (see below) offers a better economic deal for nearly all libertarians than any feasible version of GaltÂs Gulch. Once you do the math on going Galt, itÂs not hard to see why no self-respecting libertarian would actually do it.
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Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #331,200
8/12/10 8:17:32 AM
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there is, he is confused
look at the headline, read the story
http://www.ajc.com/n...-full-590299.html
after they left, where ever they went to is gaults gulch
Interesting that a small city had people coming from 100 miles around seeking these vouchers, the vouchers were for city residents only, and the application was to get on a waiting list. The underclass is getting very libertarian, ready to go to full blown communism any day now
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Post #331,345
8/15/10 10:49:39 AM
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Quiggin follows-up.
http://crookedtimber...a-with-asterisks/
Among the more plausible candidates for an Actually Existing Libertopia, the US in C19 (with asterisks) is pretty prominent. Also, on the basis of fairly thin historical evidence, the Iceland of the sagas. It seems to me that these examples have one crucial point in common that hasnÂt received much attention
Looking at the US case, it seems fair to say that, if you ignore the asterisks (women, blacks, native Americans and the emerging industrial working class), the 19th century setup was a fair approximation to the libertarian ideal. IÂm going to ignore the industrial part of the economy for the moment, and, for the sake of argument, treat slavery and Jim Crow as aberrations peculiar to the South. Finally, and again for the sake of argument, IÂll concede the possibility that the legal rights of women and men could have been equalized (at least in formal terms) without upsetting the C19 applecart.
That leaves on remaining asterisk  native Americans  and it seems to me that this is the one that canÂt be avoided. In a largely agricultural society, the historical norm has been the emergence of an aristocracy based on the ownership of land, and ruling over a tenant peasantry or landless laborers. The only case that doesnÂt happen is where there is an appealing exit option for the peasants, such as migration to the city.
But another exit option exists wherever there is a frontier (that is, a border with a less militarily advanced society) as in C19 US. With a frontier, agricultural land is freely available to anyone willing and able to kill, drive away or enslave the current occupiers. That obviously makes life difficult for any aspiring aristocrats[1]. The Icelanders were in a similar position. If any local jarl got too big for his boots, it was a simple matter to hop into a longship and go off to loot some abbeys.
It is, as my Marxist friends used to say, no coincidence that the end of the era of (white male agricultural) US libertarianism came to an end with the Âclosing of the frontier. IÂd guess, though I have no real evidence that the same was true in Iceland once the Viking option was no longer available.
The standard Lockean case for (propertarian) libertarianism rests on the (universally false) assumption that an appropriation of land leaves Âenough and as good for anyone else. As long as land can be stolen from people who are outside the pale in one way or another, Lockeans (and a fortiori Jeffersonians) can convince themselves that they are devotees of liberty rather than of the forcible imposition of property rights in land (and, for Jeffersonians, other people). Once thereÂs no more land left to steal, it becomes obvious that propertarianism is fundamentally dependent on coercion, just like (for example) socialism or any other form of government.
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Check the comments, too.
As the first commenter notes, pointing to Marxism might not be the best analogy. He argues that someone who is a better fit, and someone I'd never heard of, is Henry George - http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Henry_George
Henry George (September 2, 1839 Â October 29, 1897) was an American writer, politician and political economist, who was the most influential proponent of the land value tax, also known as the "single tax" on land. He inspired the philosophy and economic ideology known as Georgism, which is that everyone owns what he or she creates, but that everything found in nature, most importantly land, belongs equally to all humanity. His most famous work is Progress and Poverty written during 1879; it is a treatise on inequality, the cyclic nature of industrial economies and possible remedies.
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Furthermore, on a visit to New York City, he was struck by the apparent paradox that the poor in that long-established city were much worse off than the poor in less developed California. These observations supplied the theme and title for his 1879 book Progress and Poverty, which was a great success, selling over 3 million copies. In it George made the argument that a sizeable portion of the wealth created by social and technological advances in a free market economy is possessed by land owners and monopolists via economic rents, and that this concentration of unearned wealth is the main cause of poverty. George considered it a great injustice that private profit was being earned from restricting access to natural resources while productive activity was burdened with heavy taxes, and indicated that such a system was equivalent to slavery - a concept somewhat similar to wage slavery.
George was in a position to discover this pattern, having experienced poverty himself, knowing many different societies from his travels, and living in California at a time of rapid growth. In particular he had noticed that the construction of railroads in California was increasing land values and rents as fast or faster than wages were rising.
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So, yeah, maybe Libertopia can 'work' if one starts with a blank slate ("free/infinitesimally expensive land") and then imposes rents ("it's mine now, pay me"). Otherwise, not so much.
Cheers,
Scott.
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