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Post #330,771 by lincoln 8/4/10 10:48:13 AM Reply	this is a nice chart but does nayone know where I can find a more up-to-date one? http://zone2homebrew...lconservatism.gif "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #330,772 by Another Scott 8/4/10 11:24:20 AM Reply	More info. I know it's not your graph, but I must pick a nit: No "James Carter" as president. He took the oath as "Jimmy Carter". http://www.youtube.c...tch?v=NUoXXEl8pQc IIRC, presidents have to take the oath under the name on the ballot, and Jimmy almost always went by "Jimmy". http://www.google.co...&biw=1388&bih=960 has more graphs that might fit the bill for you. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #330,774 by beepster 8/4/10 1:04:09 PM Reply	You may not want the new one... ...as it might not fit with your message. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #330,775 by boxley 8/4/10 1:08:33 PM Reply	you mean the one with the shrub label that goes to 2024?
Post #330,776 by beepster 8/4/10 1:22:06 PM Reply	Well, he might want that one.. ..but then there may be questions of accuracy Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #330,777 by boxley 8/4/10 1:31:08 PM Reply	like that would slow lincoln down
Post #330,792 by lincoln 8/4/10 4:42:00 PM Reply	BITE ME! you're the guy posting junk from World Nut Daily that you know are total bullshit. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #330,798 by beepster 8/4/10 5:10:19 PM Reply	was that an et tu Brute statement? with links from DailyKos, crooksandliars and thinkprogress to your credit in recent times. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #330,802 by lincoln 8/4/10 5:22:29 PM Reply	You are so full of it Since you are a conservative and post RepubliCANT favoring posts, you can't handle the facts posted in the articles from DailyKos, CrooksandLiars and ThinkProgress. So, naturally you're attacking the sources rather than the FACTS in the article posted from them. Second point - are you the one who habitually posts stories from WND? No? Then my comment was directed at him. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #330,808 by beepster 8/4/10 5:46:37 PM Reply	It was just an observation that you were challenging his sources when you habitually use some questionable sources of your own. I don't think I've posted anything from WND in years. CNS once or twice. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #330,806 by boxley 8/4/10 5:35:01 PM Reply	dont you dare use the "the other guy does it too!" defence
Post #330,858 by lincoln 8/5/10 5:30:02 PM Reply	Why not? Shrub did it for 8 years "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #330,778 by Mycroft_Holmes_Iv 8/4/10 2:39:41 PM Reply	Re: this is a nice chart I tend toward this one myself http://www.lafn.org/...l_Debt_Chart.html That said, I tend to doubt some values of your chart..I think they rolled in SSN and other aspects to get Clinton's final numbers to appear as they did. Sadly, they don't include 2008 && 2009 numbers for Dubya.
Post #330,783 by beepster 8/4/10 3:26:03 PM Reply	Re: this is a nice chart think you need to look at who controls the Congress more than who is the President. Don't know if it changes the picture too much...but they control the wallet, not the President. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #330,784 by Mycroft_Holmes_Iv 8/4/10 3:43:51 PM Reply	You'd think so... but the weird part is...if switch it around to Congress majorities, it then makes no sense at all. Reagan && Bush I dealt with nothing but Democratic majorities. Clinton has a Democratic majority at first...then a Republican one...the trends remained the same. Dubya had a Republican majority for all but his last 2 years. I will admit a trend increase for the last 2 years....but even then, Congress 'controls' the wallet but the President can still always veto. I don't recall off-hand if there were any budget veto-overrides for Dubya.
Post #330,785 by beepster 8/4/10 3:52:03 PM Reply	W set all time low for veto 12 in 8 years I think is the number. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #330,794 by lincoln 8/4/10 4:43:37 PM Reply	Re: this is a nice chart The President submits the budget to Congress; Congress adds stuff to it. No one has submitted a balanced budget since when ... JFK? "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow

this is a nice chart - (lincoln) - (16) - Aug. 4, 2010, 10:48:13 AM EDT

More info. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 4, 2010, 11:24:20 AM EDT

You may not want the new one... - (beepster) - (9) - Aug. 4, 2010, 01:04:09 PM EDT

you mean the one with the shrub label that goes to 2024? -NT - (boxley) - (8) - Aug. 4, 2010, 01:08:33 PM EDT

Well, he might want that one.. - (beepster) - (7) - Aug. 4, 2010, 01:22:06 PM EDT

like that would slow lincoln down -NT - (boxley) - (6) - Aug. 4, 2010, 01:31:08 PM EDT

BITE ME! - (lincoln) - (5) - Aug. 4, 2010, 04:42:00 PM EDT

was that an et tu Brute statement? - (beepster) - (2) - Aug. 4, 2010, 05:10:19 PM EDT

You are so full of it - (lincoln) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2010, 05:22:29 PM EDT

It was just an observation - (beepster) - Aug. 4, 2010, 05:46:37 PM EDT

dont you dare use the "the other guy does it too!" defence -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2010, 05:35:01 PM EDT

Why not? Shrub did it for 8 years -NT - (lincoln) - Aug. 5, 2010, 05:30:02 PM EDT

Re: this is a nice chart - (Mycroft_Holmes_Iv) - (4) - Aug. 4, 2010, 02:39:41 PM EDT

Re: this is a nice chart - (beepster) - (3) - Aug. 4, 2010, 03:26:03 PM EDT

You'd think so... - (Mycroft_Holmes_Iv) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2010, 03:43:51 PM EDT

W set all time low for veto - (beepster) - Aug. 4, 2010, 03:52:03 PM EDT

Re: this is a nice chart - (lincoln) - Aug. 4, 2010, 04:43:37 PM EDT

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