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New The 100 worst stimulus projects
http://coburn.senate...9dbb-f5b9f21b3572
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New I wonder how many of the stimulus projects
were promoted by the Republicans on this list:

Stimulating Hypocrisy: 114 Lawmakers Block Recovery While Taking Credit For Its Success

list: http://thinkprogress...recovery-opposed/




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New Who gets the money - interactive map
Apologies if this was already posted:

http://www.recovery....asource=recipient
New Let's start with the first one.
Window replacement at the Cold Water Ridge Visitor's Center.

https://www.fbo.gov/...1c71f99e&_cview=0

This purpose of this announcement is to make notice that the Forest Service contemplates releasing a solicitation number AG-0489-S-10-0151 on or about February 16, 2010, for the Design and Replacement of the Window Wall at the Coldwater Ridge Visitors Center in the Mt Saint Helens Ranger District. If the solicitation is released it will be posted through FedBizOps website and prospective differs should visit this site from time to time on or after Feb 16, 2010 to obtain a copy of the solicitation, This notice meets the requirements of FAR 5.201. However the Forest Service reserves the right not to release a solicitation.

Project Description - The US Forest Service has a requirement for the design and construction of a replacement window wall system. It also includes removing the skylight roofing system located in the three individual pavilions and designing and constructing a new metal roof system for the three pavilions to match existing metal roof system. This work is located at the Coldwater Ridge Visitor Center in the Mt Saint Helens Ranger District.

The replacement window wall and roof system is to be designed to withstand conditions at this site. The design is to take into account all site conditions including but not limited to: high wind loads, positive and negative air pressure, temperature changes, site elevation, heating and cooling loads, and glass color and thickness.


They got 5 bids and contemplated awarding $500k - $1M for the work. The award was $554,763.00 and was awarded on June 7, 2010.

Here's a picture of it - http://www.fs.fed.us...water-ridge.shtml It seems to be a fairly modern facility that should not be allowed to deteriorate.

Looks to me like the taxpayer got a pretty good deal.

Yes, it says "permanently closed after November 5, 2007." Recall that was before Obama took office.

Let's see what else the Forest Service says: http://www.fs.fed.us...hnvm/attractions/

Coldwater Ridge Visitor Center

* Closed
* Limited resources are being focused on serving the public at the Johnston Ridge Observatory.


Doesn't sound like they've got an excess of resources, does it?

Coburn and McCain say, on p.5:

Officials are hoping to maintain the facility so that another use can be found, such as a lodge or educational facility.8 But the Forest Service has been criticized in the past for poor facilities management, especially within the Mount St. Helens National Monument, and there is no sign that an economically viable use for the center is close to being found.9


1) Having poor management in times past is no argument for letting facilities decay now.
2) Since when have we demanded that national parks be "economically viable"?

If that's one of the "worst" examples that Coburn and McCain can find, well...

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who isn't surprised that Coburn and McCain continue to spend more time posturing than addressing real issues.)
New 99 to go
Yep, we shouldn't allow a building with no purpose to have poor windows.

Maybe we could wait until they discover a purpose for the building...and instead use maybe a couple hundred dollars of re-purposed plywood in the interim?

But, you know best.

Next?
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New ...
Coburn and McCain need to make their case, not me.

http://www.komonews....cal/10718831.html

From October 2007:
[...]

Stubblefield, who retired eight years ago as the supervisor of the Gifford Pinchot National Forest and now lives in the Ridgefield area, served as master of ceremonies for the grand opening on May 15, 1993. He's disappointed that the Forest Service, now strapped for cash, has chosen to permanently close the center after the last visitor leaves on Nov. 5.

"It's such an incredible spot," he said, gazing out toward the cloud-shrouded volcano. "I feel privileged and honored to have spent some time here."

Stubblefield laments the closure as another symptom of a throwaway society, arguing that the state's congressional delegation hasn't done enough to protect the public's investment. He contends that if it was important enough for Congress to establish the 110,000-acre national volcanic monument, as it did in 1982, it deserves a stable source of funding every year.

Once considered world-class, Coldwater is now showing signs of age.

Stubblefield noticed frost forming within several window panes, which were failing to withstand the cold, windy environment in the volcano's blast zone. Forest Service officials figure fixing the windows would cost up to $1 million, and that's not the only maintenance issue plaguing the center.

Yellow caution tape blocked one door, where a hydraulic door closer hangs loosely. Stubblefield noticed cracks in the concrete outside, along with technological problems inside. Visitors used to watch a 6½-minute overview of the eruption and landscape's recovery, but the Forest Service can't find replacements for the 32 videodisc projectors that are now wearing out.

"Where do you find projectors with trays anymore?" Stubblefield said. "It's all CDs."

Rather than pouring money into the center, the Forest Service has opted to shut it down.

Monument Manager Tom Mulder, who in April announced the Forest Service's decision to permanently close Coldwater Ridge, said the agency intends to focus on a lower-key approach rather than "wowing people with infrastructure and visitor centers."

[...]


They didn't budget for park maintenance, then made post-hoc justifications.

One wouldn't expect any less from a Republican administration, and their enablers in the Senate...

Cheers,
Scott.
New Your prejudice is showing again
where in that piece was anything said about a Republican failure? Its a congressional budgeting issue, and since 93 their have been adminstrations on both sides.

And the ranger blamed the state delegation which is 9 to 2 Democrat.

So, nice try. Find another scapegoat this time.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New You're amazing...
New Why is that?
because you kneejerk to blame one side over the other on a failing of government at large..and I call you on it?

Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Read me in my posts.
Hint: The administration runs the US Forest Service - not the Congress. Bush's people closed the visitor's center.

I'm about done.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Oh dear lord!
A career parks employee must have taken a direct order from GWB...and if I were GWB I may very well have given that order in light of...

http://www.fs.fed.us...or-services.shtml

Coldwater Ridge Visitor Center and Mount St. Helens Visitor Center at Silver Lake are two of five Mount St. Helens visitor centers along State Route 504 leading into the National Volcanic Monument.


Oh my...now there are 4 visitor centers at MSH instead of 5...and we wonder why maintenance budgets just seem to keep going up.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Steve Benen's take.
http://www.washingto...010_08/025030.php

I'm sure you won't find him persuasive either.

Cheers,
Scott.
New I'm sure that the list
has items that one or another folks will consider good and one or another will not.

The power plant one has good and bad elements...but if the stimulus was supposed to be spent to create short term jobs...then the power plant, which hasn't even broken ground...might not be on the good side of that equation.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Expand Edited by beepster Aug. 3, 2010, 11:30:50 PM EDT
New Re: The 100 worst stimulus projects

However, the report's use of selected information from hundreds of footnoted sources left it unclear if the brief summaries of each project told the whole story.

In a previous report last January, the senators included the Napa Valley Wine Train as an example of wasteful stimulus spending without mentioning that the money was for a flood control project along the train's route, rather than the train itself.

[...]

However, the senators' report initially failed to state the money was spread over three years. Again citing the WCNC.com story, it also initially said lead researcher Celine Latulipe "noted that her funding was severely restricted by the fact that the university is taking a 44 percent cut to cover 'overhead' expenses."

[...]

It cited a March 8 Raleigh News and Observer article that quoted Wake Forest University School of Medicine spokesman Mark Wright as saying the stimulus money would allow the university to continue a job that otherwise might have been cut.

Paula Faria, assistant vice president for media relations at Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center, said the grant will "have significant impact on public health in regards to cocaine addiction and the issue of relapse."

"It's also important to note that the applications for these grants are peer reviewed and this study was deemed of merit by a panel of scientific experts, and then reviewed by the National Advisory Council on Drug Abuse before funds were awarded," Faria said in a statement to CNN.



http://www.cnn.com/2...ending/index.html






"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
     The 100 worst stimulus projects - (beepster) - (13)
         I wonder how many of the stimulus projects - (lincoln) - (1)
             Who gets the money - interactive map - (dmcarls)
         Let's start with the first one. - (Another Scott) - (9)
             99 to go - (beepster) - (8)
                 ... - (Another Scott) - (7)
                     Your prejudice is showing again - (beepster) - (6)
                         You're amazing... -NT - (Another Scott) - (3)
                             Why is that? - (beepster) - (2)
                                 Read me in my posts. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                     Oh dear lord! - (beepster)
                         Steve Benen's take. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             I'm sure that the list - (beepster)
         Re: The 100 worst stimulus projects - (lincoln)

He's so far to the right of the bell curve he could drop a marble and it wouldn't roll away.
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