It's making the rounds here now

Post #329,862 by malraux 7/19/10 12:04:54 AM Reply	It's making the rounds here now Lots of kids locally with food sensitivities. Plus it just plain Tastes Good. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #329,869 by drook 7/19/10 9:19:48 AM Reply	Anyone think that's odd? Lots of kids locally with food sensitivities. That would seem strange to me. -- Drew
Post #329,870 by boxley 7/19/10 9:26:42 AM Reply	they wouldnt let them outside unsupervised when toddlers thats dirty! Dont touch that! dont put that in your mouth!
Post #329,874 by folkert 7/19/10 9:40:48 AM Reply	My Doctor and I have talked about this... Tell your kids to go play in the mud. Go camping for a week or more without any "repellent." Eat things you wouldn't normally eat... like exotic foods, prepare in traditional ways not in a Hypo Allergenic way. Everyone is Lactose intolerant. Its why Milk gives you flatulence. You just build up a tolerance to it, if you continue to ingest it. etc... etc...
Post #329,976 by mhuber 7/20/10 4:10:39 PM Reply	And flat-out get sick One of my teachers in massage school, a chiropractor, suggested not getting the flu vaccine because your body needs to get good and sick and recover once in a while, just to keep the immune system in shape. Yeah - too much health isn't good for you. I think he's right. --------------------------------------- I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band. (Tori Amos)
Post #330,121 by crazy 7/23/10 10:24:25 AM Reply	I call BS But you were close. SOME kids are lactose intolerant. Let's be sure you understand what intolerant means. Almost any amount of milk, cheese, ice cream, etc, causes SERIOUS goddamn painful stomach and intestinal cramps for hours, followed by a few more hours of diarrhea. Even when mixed with other food. A full glass of milk? Never. That's just f'ing INSANE. And it SMELLS. Yo! MOST kids are not. MOST kids who are NOT grow up to adults are ARE, but only somewhat. A little milk in coffee will be just fine, a piece of pizza as well. Those of us who were lactose intolerant as kids do not suddenly create an enzyme we are not programmed for just because some idiot parent feeds it to them. Just making sure any follow-up readers of this thread are not suddenly thinking of ways to shove dairy products down their kid's throat in an attempt to "fix" them. Ok?
Post #330,126 by boxley 7/23/10 10:57:11 AM Reply	agreed my oldest boy lactose intolerant would eat a lot of mac n cheese when he didnt want to share a hotel room. He slept alone.
Post #330,144 by folkert 7/23/10 3:43:39 PM Reply	Re: I call BS on the whole thing or just the Lactose intolerant thing? Doctor said, that everyone is lactose intolerant to a point, everyone. There are varying levels of intolerance. The people that are sharply intolerant are of course lactose intolerant. I guess you could also say varying degrees of lactose incompatibility. Dr said, that it has been proven in some recent studies that even people "violently" intolerant can benefit from small servings of modified lactose and help them with overall lactose tolerance. Sorry to have offended you Barry... I guess you are special.
Post #330,146 by crazy 7/23/10 4:10:19 PM Reply	Just on the lactose part And no, I'm not special, at least not in this area. I'm different. And it is a simple difference that allows people to cause me (and those like me) physical suffering, at least if they are foolish enough to pay attention to you. I agree 100% on triggering the immune system occasionally, exposing it to a variety of substances that will rev it up. Which has nothing to do with genetically determined digestive enzyme production. My granddaughter (age 1) will puke up any milk-based formula. She will scream in agony after being given it. For a long time. She will writhe around, as her stomach and intestines bloat up. And you'd prefer this person is given it to what? Toughen her up? Make it easier for her to fit in with the school lunch program? Maybe? Some day? So yes, if my tone indicates offense, maybe you should wonder why. The lactase tablet work, they are cheap, and they have no side effects. Dairy production is a commercial issue, not a public health one. More dairy is not necessarily better for you. Anytime anybody espouses a view that could cause harm to me or my tribal group, I'll take a proactive stance. Sorry if it offends you.
Post #330,162 by folkert 7/23/10 8:11:52 PM Reply	Well eff you too. You are ALWAYS the exception to the rule Barry. You are always special. Get over your arguing shit like this until the other person is to tired to argue. You win by attrition nearly every time. Not be cause of thoughtful meaningful and calm discussion. I can already hear your voice in it wound up state and "pressured" domineer. Take for instance your insistence with Drew about your CENTURIES OF PROOF crap and his simple question which you refused to answer and even to this day you've yet to answer it effectively enough to call it definitive or really even convincing. It was a general statement made by MY doctor and didn't cite the actual recent research... but dude do you ALWAYS have to argue the exception for effing everything? Sometimes you make me wonder. Have a nice day.
Post #330,164 by boxley 7/23/10 9:22:28 PM Reply	can picture it now drink your milk you little christ killer or the fat police will be here to take you to the dairy farm
Post #330,182 by crazy 7/24/10 6:46:37 AM Reply	In a milk truck Hey, what's up for next week?
Post #330,225 by boxley 7/24/10 7:19:17 PM Reply	thanks for the reminder looks like trip is off, niece has boyfriend so she doesnt want to leave. Gonna head down to the redneck riviera and checkout the oil spill cleanup
Post #330,231 by crazy 7/24/10 11:15:06 PM Reply	k
Post #330,181 by crazy 7/24/10 6:44:05 AM Reply	Hehe Hey, you found something to cause me (and others like me) pain. And you feel it is in our best interest to cause us pain. And it pisses you off when I point out we don't like it. I thought Drook's discussion went well. Sure, it sucked for a while, but there were some serious moments of discovery during it. I still feel Drook is one of the nicest / smartest people I know, he just lacked some historical background. Which I was unable to provide, but my whining provided the forum that triggered the information to flow. In this case, I continued reading, saw some studies, and accept that there is a range of lactose tolerance, and who know, maybe, just maybe, if my parents really loved me, they would have taken me someone to figure out how I could drink milk, and my early life would have been sunshine and ponies. Like it is now that I have the milk enzyme pills.
Post #330,184 by crazy 7/24/10 7:18:51 AM Reply	How about this perspective: Anytime I see any type of study to fix something in people, I want to know what is being fixed, and why. In this case it is the inability to digest a possible food source. But others, such as the Japanese, have the ability to digest seaweed. A much cheaper, much more abundant food source. We don't. Do you feel something is wrong with you? Not just some different ability, but wrong? If you found a possible way to allow your kids to digest seaweed, would you cause them pain to allow it? How much pain? For how long? I think of it like allergy shots. Not necessarily the same pain, just a way of measuring pain VS gain. In the case of the shots, I had them for 3 years, age 6-9. They sucked. Essentially I felt like someone smashed my shoulders with a baseball bat for a couple of days after the shots, and I got the shots every 2 weeks. And don't forget, it only helps a certain percentage of people. For the others, it just causes them pain until they give up. Do you feel this is different from the milk issue?
Post #330,188 by folkert 7/24/10 9:11:21 AM Reply	Ingesting Milk... Here is the US, Milk is sort of something of a misnomer. Very few other countries "force feed"(highly promote) lactose products to its adults. In fact, in many other countries Adults HATE cow's milk. Only having lactose products such as Cheese or Ice Cream or other kinds of transformed products, which really reduces the amount of lactose and transforms it to something else, with things like rennet, which also transforms the taste that they cannot stand or hate. So, no i don't think the seaweed thing in Japan is any different than the milke thing here in the US. And no, I don't think anything is WRONG with a person that is lactose intolerant, or seaweed intolerant. Just missing out on stuff they could have. I never effectively said ALL PEOPLE MUST DRINK MILK OR DIE! as you took it. I did effectively say: Most people could benefit from having lactose product in limited amounts to help for when they WANT a larger amount. As everyone is lactose intolerant to a point. Its nearly the same thing with nuts, bananas, bean protein.
Post #330,202 by crazy 7/24/10 11:13:33 AM Reply	Another "yeah right" Its nearly the same thing with nuts, bananas, bean protein. Hmmm. Ass-reach-yank. You, not me. Please tell me how anaphylactic shock on an immune system response compares to a lack of digestive enzyme? Oh well, I guess you have a long distance to yank out of, must be lots of stuff in there. And by the way, this is a quiet non-shrill post. You can tell the shrill ones when I embed an occasional capitalized word to imprint it in your brain. The boy loved tree nuts when he was young. Something odd, though, happened. His lips and tongue started tingling. He ignored it. Rather than become immune, he became sensitized. Which seems to be the norm. Over the years, the amount required to trigger a whole body reaction dropped. He doesn't enjoy them any more. He still loves them, but knows to avoid. Now it is a matter of not accidentally eating some pecan ice-cream (no lactose tolerance in him at all, ever) that might kill him.
Post #330,221 by folkert 7/24/10 6:02:11 PM Reply	Done. You win. I'm wrong. You are right. Attrition. Its just not worth arguing with you.
Post #330,183 by crazy 7/24/10 6:50:32 AM Reply	One of my least favorite memories I was in grade school. I had a stomach problem. It was triggered by aspirin. The school nurse forced me to drink milk because she wouldn't believe me that I was lactose intolerant. She thought it would make me feel better, and it wasn't commonly known back then. Greg, well meaning people have fucked me by accident my whole life. I've learned to to pay attention, no matter how pure the motives.
Post #330,192 by folkert 7/24/10 9:31:00 AM Reply	I'm fully aware of well meaning people and you. I'm sure Hitler was well meaning. Sheesh... stop over reacting to things like our discussion here like I was saying something like: Hitler was good for the Human Population, so we should have him back in "little samples", perhaps our tolerance of Hitler would have been better. Its NOT at all what most people are saying or recommending, yet you are responding in a similar fashion to the exceptions everywhere here.
Post #330,201 by crazy 7/24/10 11:03:53 AM Reply	Wow Geez, that was an easy Godwin. Not that I was trying, but hey, whatever works.
Post #330,222 by folkert 7/24/10 6:03:44 PM Reply	Wow is exactly the response I have with you. You generate that nearly every time.
Post #330,223 by crazy 7/24/10 6:44:43 PM Reply	Sorry, Godwin rules don't allow an answer
Post #330,229 by folkert 7/24/10 9:06:22 PM Reply	Don't give a shit.
Post #330,238 by mhuber 7/25/10 5:35:51 AM Reply	High School in my case Lots of milk daily to help with my digestive issues. In college, I failed to consume milk because I was pretty much on beer and coffee. And since I didn't have the digestive issues (no clue why I didn't have them) I didn't consume lots of milk to resolve those issues. I'm truly amazed it took me years to realize my biggest digestive issue is that I have a very limited ability to digest lactose. And it is seasonal. I can drink a whole glass of milk in winter. Summer, I have to be a little careful. Some of my children were so sensitive to lactose, at certain ages, that Mom nursing them after an ice cream cone resulted in a bad night. Two of them ended up with tubes in their ears because we didn't get it. All eventually developed a limited tolerance as they grew. We enjoy an ice cream cone now and then, but we don't drink a lot of milk. And when we feel icky, we don't try to calm our stomachs with milk like we used to. If congestion becomes an issue, dairy is cut entirely for a while. Lactose intolerance is not an allergy, not even close. An allergy is an immune system running amok. Lactose intolerance is insufficient production of the enzyme lactase. A little lactose here and there may (or may not, depends on the individual) stimulate production of lactase, improving the situation. Exposure to an allergen sensitizes, making the allergy worse. Lactose intolerance is a real biological problem, not an excuse. It can be extremely painful. In general, cross-lactation, the consumption of the milk of another species, is a fairly unnatural act. Most mammals don't do it. I've heard that the ability to digest milk as an adult is only common (and far from universal) among those of European ancestry. Dairy products are not necessarily good for you. Green vegetables are a better source of calcium. I like cheese. --------------------------------------- I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band. (Tori Amos)
Post #330,249 by crazy 7/25/10 10:31:52 AM Reply	Good summary information Thanks
Post #329,881 by malraux 7/19/10 12:15:21 PM Reply	No... At least not in my son's case. Dairy sensitivity, at least, runs on my wife's side of the family. Both of my sons had a problem with it as babies. The rest of it, I don't know. I used to be sensitive to orange juice, about 10 years ago, but no longer after I didn't drink it for years. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.

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