http://arstechnica.c...rrated-anyway.ars
I'm with McKlesh in his reaction - http://arstechnica.c...#comment-20487316
Cheers,
Scott.
One to amuse and annoy DRL.
http://arstechnica.c...rrated-anyway.ars
I'm with McKlesh in his reaction - http://arstechnica.c...#comment-20487316 Cheers, Scott. |
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Interesting colloquy, but maybe dumb (?)
I start from:
Mankind ... lacks {a comprehension of} Scale and Relativity That generalization extends from the physical --> metaphysical. On inspection. It is intuiively Obvious that This Is So / Proof? Schmoof! Einstein IMhO near-perfectly gives us an example of the 'form' of a proposition which acknowledges our inability to 'reason' at the fringes, in his iconic As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Gödel hypothesizes, nay 'Proves' his assertion of incompleteness [even as you 'refine further'], with similar perspicuity to Æ's. [We Know that the word 'Proof' is strictly-valid ONLY with a mathematical context.] Whereas ... These chaps wish to argue analogously to "doing Newtonian physics to plot a trajectory of a particle entering the 'event-horizon' of a [By Definition, singularity!] Black Hole." In plain English, "singularity" in math-speak is congruent to Medico vagueness When They Don't Know: oft expressed via the pompous annoucement, implying his 'knowledge' of your malady -- Madam, you have "non-specific vaginitis". cha. cha. cha. J'accuse all parties to this tempest from the n-body problem onwards: the key MIssing Comprehension connecting all the mentioned 'uncertainties' might be explained by a Meta-pronouncement, {that is ... an attempt to see-from-that-Higher perspective: which we notice lies just-out-of-Reach) Reality ... is a bloody concept ONLY! (like, say 'Absolute Truth' or any synonym for Certainty about Anything) which is always in metaphysical territory, as it is about! that ineffable Scale/Relativity THINGUMBOB . Ergo the linked machinations are merely artful smoke-rings. Nothing was 'clarified' because the ineffablle does not Work that Way. Rest case. {sigh} PS: and ALL THESE tempests ever FAIL to acknowledge a 'ratio' which We Know We Do Not KnowÂ, nor CAN-by-definition! It has only partly-to-do with the ummm truthiness-quotient? factor? within every factoid we suppose that we Already 'Know', but also etiology, taxonomy, language, metaphor -- as intrude into any topic we rilly rilly Want to think We Know. Ratio: That Which We Know ALL Which Remains UnKnown Parse that, one, Sophists! I pick 0/0. It's a nice round non-number; OK 0.000000000 0.000000000 ie. We don't 'Know' shit, really -- it's all maya which dances within the little grey-cells in a chemical soup. But the WILL to Amuse selves transcends transcendence. ;^> |
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Gödel Proves
The only way that Gödel fails to prove is if human experience is non-algorithmic, a non-system.
Of course, incompleteness jibes pretty well with my own experience (and yours too, I bet) of the world, so the amazing thing about the theorem is not the conclusion but the fact that it can be proven across arbitrary systems. I.e. it is no surprise that the universe fails to entirely make sense, the surprise is that no possible universe (other than really trivial x=x universes) could ever entirely make sense. ---------------------------------------
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I'll buy that.. if the first Eigenfunction is nondeterminate
I could almost see voting for Palin in 2012 on the grounds that this sorry ratfucking excuse for a republic, this savage, smirking, predatory empire deserves her. Bring on the Rapture, motherfuckers! -- via RC |