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Post #327,153 by folkert 6/1/10 10:41:07 AM 6/1/10 10:41:20 AM Reply	counter counter NIT Unions had as much to do with Shoddy product as anything else. Dude, you ever been inside a GM plant for engines or transmissions or body? I have. Unions caused huge amounts of automation to be forced to be broken just to make another Union job. Plus, during the 80s and early 90s, the Unions became so much a part of the engineering process that they forced GM to reduce bolt counts on most items. Just so that one person woudl only have to put in 3 bolts vs 5 bolts. There are horror stories I could tell you about. Like, me going to Ford's Cleveland motor plant number 2. The machine I worked on had Electricity, Air and Fluids in it to be used. That meant a Plumber, an Electrician and a Hydraulic pipefitter was there standing around watching me work for 5 days. Tell me how THAT is good for the situation. Edited by folkert June 1, 2010, 10:41:20 AM EDT Re: counter NIT Unions had as much to do with Shoddy product as anything else. Dude, you ever been inside a GM plant for engines or transmissions or body? I have. Unions caused huge amounts of automation to be forced to be broken just to make another Union job. Plus, during the 80s and early 90s, the Unions became so much a part of the engineering process that they forced GM to reduce bolt counts on most items. Just so that one person woudl only have to put in 3 bolts vs 5 bolts. There are horror stories I could tell you about. Like, me going to Ford's Cleveland motor plant number 2. The machine I worked on had Electricity, Air and Fluids in it to be used. That meant a Plumber, an Electrician and a Hydraulic pipefitter was there standing around watching me work for 5 days. Tell me how THAT is good for the situation. Collapse All History
Post #327,159 by boxley 6/1/10 10:55:56 AM Reply	so we should only allow slavery in auto factories? not disagreeing Greg, just that a free market does allow for corrections
Post #327,173 by folkert 6/1/10 12:05:26 PM Reply	Not Slavery.... Unions have their place. Fighting for workers rights and good enough pay and benefits. Unions have NO Place in the engineering sections. They also shoudl not have the ability to chop apart a fully automated line to create a job for people to move, say an engine block, from the output of one process to the input of another process. I saw similar things where they force GM to cut a 6 foot section out of a chain line to make it so that a person had to "assisted lift" an engine block from one part of what was obviously a single line output of one machining process to input of the next machining process, except they took out the line from it. I also saw automated screw and tightening machine have one or more stations disabled so that a person could put in a screw and another could then torque it further down. Rather than have it be one process and insert and tighten the screw with one machine. Don't think I'm for all this bull, but the excesses the Union took and are still taking in GM Ford and Chrysler... sheesh.

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