Rich is just one element

Post #326,066 by mhuber 5/12/10 10:45:37 AM Reply	Rich is just one element The other two: * No flags of any kind * Flag-wearing as a clique activity The fact that the American flag is involved doesn't excuse dressing in a disruptive way. --------------------------------------- I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band. (Tori Amos)
Post #326,067 by beepster 5/12/10 11:08:28 AM Reply	So now a flag shirt has moved to the realm of shouting fire in a crowded movie house...or maybe just for the CA and NYC crowd...gang colors. and was the "no flags of any kind" a rule posted in advance or a rule made up that morning by the administration? I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #326,068 by mhuber 5/12/10 11:47:16 AM Reply	More like Coke shirt on Pepsi day Or was it the other way around. I'm not saying this is right, I'm just trying to file it under the correct type of dumbassery. This is a school stupid, not politics stupid. The politics is just a maguffin. I also strongly suspect there was some behavior that went along with the shirts. Projection on my part. At that age I wouldn't just have worn the shirt, I would have been a pest about it. I was a clever lad, so I probably would have managed to not break any actual rules or overtly disrespect anybody, but it would have been far from innocent. And I was one of the good kids. --------------------------------------- I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band. (Tori Amos)
Post #326,073 by beepster 5/12/10 12:35:42 PM Reply	Pretty much agree, and started that way giving California the weekly school stupid award, fully expecting that title to come back to FL quickly...but CA, much like the hero of Employee of the Week, earned 2 gold stars in a row :-) I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #326,069 by boxley 5/12/10 12:13:03 PM Reply	Re: So now a flag shirt... how quickly we forget http://www.americanh...1/2002_1_56.shtml After his desecration conviction for wearing a flag shirt, Abbie Hoffman regretted Âthat I have only one shirt to give for my country.Â When he appeared on the television program The Merv Griffin Show wearing the infamous article, the network blacked out all images of him, although it allowed viewers to hear his voice. If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #326,071 by drook 5/12/10 12:23:01 PM Reply	Context Ebert gets it pretty right in his response: http://rogerebert.su...OPINION/100509974 His four thought experiments touch on the recent California case, but without the extra context. What context is that? 2006 -- http://www.highbeam....P1-123100628.html SANTA CLARA, CA - MAY 05: Anti-immigration demonstrators hold signs and American flags during an anti-immigration rally May 5, 2006 in Santa Clara, California. Dozens of anti-immigration demonstrators held a rally as similar rallies ... 2007 -- http://www.seacoasto...505/NEWS/70505029 Minutemen rally in Concord a response to Cinco de Mayo CONCORD, N.H. -- Local members of an illegal immigration watchdog group picketed the Statehouse Friday, calling their display of flag-waving, sign-holding and in some instances, costume-wearing, a response to the Mexican national holiday of Cinco de Mayo. 2010 -- http://imagine2050.n...on-cinco-de-mayo/ A posting on the website ArizonaMilitia.com this week stated: Arizona Citizens Militia calls on Arizonans to celebrate ÂCinco de AmmoÂ by asking everyone to purchase five boxes of ammunition on 5 May 2010 2010 -- http://chattahbox.co...gal-day%E2%80%99/ And right on cue, the Phoenix-based National Socialist Movement, a neo-nazi white supremacist group is sponsoring ÂReport An IllegalÂ Day on the same day Cinco de Mayo is celebrated. Those kids were being intentionally provocative, in a context where people are getting national press coverage suggesting buying ammo and reporting on suspected illegals. Where people calling themselves militias are openly calling for armed response to illegal immigration. Where a state legislature has just required that its police engage in racial profiling. I'm not saying everyone protesting immigration is racist. I'm not saying everyone protesting Cinco de Mayo is racist. I'm not saying everyone supporting the kids who were told to remove the flag clothes is racist. What I am saying is that there are a whole lot of people doing those things who are proudly racist. And the fact that none of the other heritage days Ebert mentioned gets protested strongly suggests that there's more racist sentiment in the opposition to Cinco de Mayo than most people would care to admit to themselves. And on a lighter note -- http://www.mynorthwe...sid=318591&page=0 But the US also figured in this battle BECAUSE... we were fighting the Civil War at the time, and the South desperately wanted help from the French. Which is why Abraham Lincoln in fact encouraged the Mexican army to confront the French on Cinco de Mayo and tie them down. In other words, Cinco de Mayo commemorates a battle where Mexico AND the United States were ON THE SAME SIDE. Against the FRENCH. -- Drew

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