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Posted by: Markle Author Profile Page | May 12, 2010 8:07 AM

First, I think everybody except the school district behaved badly here. The tea baggers and right-wing radio worst of all for picking up the wrong battle. (edit: And by the way it turns out nobody was supposed to be wearing any flag shit at all. "American, Mexican or Estonian" according to that reporter.) If it was my kid and he showed up at breakfast wearing a flag shirt on May 5, I wouldn't have given it a second thought. If, however, I found out he planned to hang out with 4 of his friends dressed the same way, I'd tell him to change his shirt and check his bookbag on the way out the door as well.

However, as a lifetime resident of the San Francisco Bay Area, this is actually local news for me. Reading the comments above, I had to laugh out loud at this rending of souls over these poor downtrodden little Mexicans in freaking Morgan freaking Hill. You see Morgan Hill is a bedroom community for those who work in Silicon Valley and can afford to sacrifice a few miles commute for living amongst a bit more greenery. Sandwiched between one of the largest state parks, two of the largest county parks, and three golf/country clubs, Morgan Hill has a median household income of just shy of $100k, median family income is just short of $110K. If you want your kid to go to Live Oak HS, your mortgage banker won't quite have to write a check with two commas, but he will if you want your kid to be able to walk to school. Set aside about $2.5 million for that. You see it's surrounded by one of those country clubs and vineyards. This is a dispute between spoiled rich white punks and spoiled rich slightly-more-melanistic "victims-for-a-day".

There's something else going on amongst the kids because in the wider community, Cinco de Mayo is like St. Patrick's Day. Substitute mexican for irish in the old standby "everybody's irish for a day" and that's what it's like if you go by the park for a picnic or out to a bar. Supermarkets have specials on theme-specific items. Just like you'd expect when most Bay Area communities are anywhere from 25%-55% "hispanic or latino of any race" even in the gentrified areas.(Morgan Hill 28.5%; next door in San Martin, 40%; Gilroy, 54% and $70k mean household) Hell, Redwood City, one of the most expensive places to live in the Bay Area has more residents that hail from one small town outside Morelia, Michoacán than currently live in that small town in Michoacán. You'd be hard-pressed to get more than a mile from a mexicatessen here. And nobody will look at you strangely when you shop there, whatever your ancestry. Supermarkets stock up on masa near Christmas and stock Tamarindo year-round right next to Sprite. Mexican-American culture is part of everybody's Bay Area culture. You could exchange all of that for Asian(Japanese/Chinese/Hmong/Vietnamese/Indian/Pakistani) in many places too. Cupertino, for example is 45% asian(65% in the schools).

Oh yeah, and one of the Morgan Hill 5, Dominic Maciel? He's half hispanic himself. I don't know what's going on there.
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
New so this isn't newsworthy
because these are rich kids.

ok.

I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Rich is just one element
The other two:

* No flags of any kind
* Flag-wearing as a clique activity

The fact that the American flag is involved doesn't excuse dressing in a disruptive way.
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I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band.
(Tori Amos)
New So now a flag shirt
has moved to the realm of shouting fire in a crowded movie house...or maybe just for the CA and NYC crowd...gang colors.

and was the "no flags of any kind" a rule posted in advance or a rule made up that morning by the administration?
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New More like Coke shirt on Pepsi day
Or was it the other way around.

I'm not saying this is right, I'm just trying to file it under the correct type of dumbassery. This is a school stupid, not politics stupid. The politics is just a maguffin.

I also strongly suspect there was some behavior that went along with the shirts. Projection on my part. At that age I wouldn't just have worn the shirt, I would have been a pest about it. I was a clever lad, so I probably would have managed to not break any actual rules or overtly disrespect anybody, but it would have been far from innocent. And I was one of the good kids.
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I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band.
(Tori Amos)
New Pretty much agree, and started that way
giving California the weekly school stupid award, fully expecting that title to come back to FL quickly...but CA, much like the hero of Employee of the Week, earned 2 gold stars in a row :-)
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Re: So now a flag shirt... how quickly we forget
http://www.americanh...1/2002_1_56.shtml
After his desecration conviction for wearing a flag shirt, Abbie Hoffman regretted “that I have only one shirt to give for my country.” When he appeared on the television program The Merv Griffin Show wearing the infamous article, the network blacked out all images of him, although it allowed viewers to hear his voice.
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
New Context
Ebert gets it pretty right in his response: http://rogerebert.su...OPINION/100509974

His four thought experiments touch on the recent California case, but without the extra context. What context is that?

2006 -- http://www.highbeam....P1-123100628.html
SANTA CLARA, CA - MAY 05: Anti-immigration demonstrators hold signs and American flags during an anti-immigration rally May 5, 2006 in Santa Clara, California. Dozens of anti-immigration demonstrators held a rally as similar rallies ...


2007 -- http://www.seacoasto...505/NEWS/70505029
Minutemen rally in Concord a response to Cinco de Mayo
CONCORD, N.H. -- Local members of an illegal immigration watchdog group picketed the Statehouse Friday, calling their display of flag-waving, sign-holding and in some instances, costume-wearing, a response to the Mexican national holiday of Cinco de Mayo.


2010 -- http://imagine2050.n...on-cinco-de-mayo/
A posting on the website ArizonaMilitia.com this week stated:
Arizona Citizens Militia calls on Arizonans to celebrate “Cinco de Ammo” by asking everyone to purchase five boxes of ammunition on 5 May 2010


2010 -- http://chattahbox.co...gal-day%E2%80%99/
And right on cue, the Phoenix-based National Socialist Movement, a neo-nazi white supremacist group is sponsoring “Report An Illegal” Day on the same day Cinco de Mayo is celebrated.


Those kids were being intentionally provocative, in a context where people are getting national press coverage suggesting buying ammo and reporting on suspected illegals. Where people calling themselves militias are openly calling for armed response to illegal immigration. Where a state legislature has just required that its police engage in racial profiling.

I'm not saying everyone protesting immigration is racist. I'm not saying everyone protesting Cinco de Mayo is racist. I'm not saying everyone supporting the kids who were told to remove the flag clothes is racist.

What I am saying is that there are a whole lot of people doing those things who are proudly racist. And the fact that none of the other heritage days Ebert mentioned gets protested strongly suggests that there's more racist sentiment in the opposition to Cinco de Mayo than most people would care to admit to themselves.



And on a lighter note -- http://www.mynorthwe...sid=318591&page=0
But the US also figured in this battle BECAUSE... we were fighting the Civil War at the time, and the South desperately wanted help from the French.

Which is why Abraham Lincoln in fact encouraged the Mexican army to confront the French on Cinco de Mayo and tie them down.

In other words, Cinco de Mayo commemorates a battle where Mexico AND the United States were ON THE SAME SIDE. Against the FRENCH.
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