Taubes, Good Calories/Bad Calories #1

Post #325,973 by mhuber 5/11/10 3:25:03 AM Reply	Taubes, Good Calories/Bad Calories #1 I finished reading it. I'll be reviewing it later. But for now: Perhaps the most significant conclusion in the book is the fact that there is little or no good, solid science that says bacon will kill you. Neither the fat nor the salt. An experiment on my part: after 4 strips of bacon and 3 eggs for breakfast, with no toast or orange juice or any other big carbs, the rest of the day I have no overwhelming desire to eat anything. Regular breakfast, I NEED lunch. Early lunch. Do not look like weak prey in front of me if I have failed to eat lunch by 12:30. Fat/protein breakfast, I eat lunch because I understand eating lunch is a good idea. --------------------------------------- I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band. (Tori Amos)
Post #325,976 by Another Scott 5/11/10 7:26:37 AM Reply	I'm similar. I don't know whether it's a permanent thing, but for me eating meat and fat pushes "hunger pangs" (if that's what they are, and I'm not sure they're real "hunger pangs") away for many hours. However, I'm not sure if the effect lasts more than a couple of weeks. The craving for carbs comes back in my case. I'm still experimenting. I returned to my "hot dog and Ben&Jerry's" diet a few months ago and tried it for a couple of weeks. I didn't gain any weight, but I didn't lose any this time (probably because I wasn't able to resist other carbs as well as in my first trial). It may be that, at least in my case, these dietary changes work for a few weeks, then lose their power. I've been considering fasting a day a week to see how that goes... Good luck. Cheers, Scott.
Post #325,988 by drook 5/11/10 12:10:26 PM Reply	The line I keep hearing Even with the latest research -- and the reevaluation of previous research -- showing that there was never much evidence against fat, the people making policy decisions keep saying it takes "extraordinary evidence" to overturn an existing position. Regardless of the fact that there was at best meager and contradictory evidence to create the position. -- Drew
Post #326,002 by malraux 5/11/10 3:23:30 PM Reply	Moral of the story: Make sure your position is the one that gets introduced first. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #326,024 by static 5/11/10 9:04:55 PM Reply	Heh. After an interesting story on a local quality science show http://www.abc.net.a...ories/2873729.htm I recently switched from cornflakes to porridge. I now usually don't feel the need for eating until lunch. Wade. Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
Post #326,052 by boxley 5/12/10 8:58:09 AM Reply	do you cook it with rusty nails? gotta keep that iron up If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #326,103 by static 5/12/10 8:10:04 PM Reply	Now, now. There's no need to be snarky. :-) I like my red meat, so I get my iron another route. Wade. Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
Post #326,104 by boxley 5/12/10 8:21:40 PM Reply	actually was a "desparate dan" reference dont you get UK kid comics in Oz? dang Im gettin old, Lincoln never watched bugs bunny and you dont know who desparate dan is :- http://en.wikipedia....iki/Desperate_Dan If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #326,110 by static 5/12/10 10:06:47 PM Reply	I was not the sort to buy kids' comics. :-) But no, I have not heard of Desparate Dan. Wade. Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
Post #326,121 by mhuber 5/13/10 1:48:19 AM Reply	Too many Chinese nails lately Probably lead based with expired pharmaceuticals for filler. --------------------------------------- I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band. (Tori Amos)
Post #326,140 by folkert 5/13/10 11:32:25 AM Reply	and melamine to... boost the tested/measured protein amount.
Post #326,175 by Ashton 5/13/10 7:31:32 PM Reply	Along that line.. Was shocked to hear recently that the Chinese are trying to overwhelm US suppliers of catfish (!) Locals are fighting back, though. Waiting for other shoe to drop. Given their ingrained willingness to cheat wherever imaginable, I hope that soon ... 'origin' becomes mandatory on every item == thus Anything from China, especially if destined for one's stomach. (Even worse: the re- reprocessed crap they sell US pet food mfgs. to make the 'sauce' in which many embed their low-bid versions of protein. I see no reason to expect that China will take much more care for human food and they killed lots of animals a couple years back; the melamine was just one which made it to the MSM..) Another reason to buy Local, etc. (And por moi: make own pet food, too. 'Cause Made in US is no guarantee about origins of certain categories they 'outsource'. More Corporate sleight-of-hand + way too-few FDA Inspectors; don't want no Big Government actually Inspecting corporate products in timely fashion.) I predict we shall have to be much more personally vigilant next, as our near-bankruptcy 'justifies' cutbacks of even more oversight -- even in areas where it was always random and lax. I could almost see voting for Palin in 2012 on the grounds that this sorry ratfucking excuse for a republic, this savage, smirking, predatory empire deserves her. Bring on the Rapture, motherfuckers! -- via RC
Post #326,176 by Andrew Grygus 5/13/10 7:55:55 PM Reply	Chinese Catfish Chinese catfish were found contaminated a couple of years ago - don't remember with what but some Chinese fish have been found to contain melamine (at low non-toxic levels - so far). This happened just after American catfish farmers got Congress to declare that only Channel Cat can be sold as "catfish" in the United States. This meant the Vietnamese could no longer call their catfish "catfish". For a bit they called it "China Sole", then Basa, now Swai (the version they export is not actually Basa, which they keep for themselves). But the Chinese are raising Channel Cat. So when the Feds found contaminated Chinese catfish they slapped on a rule that all catfish from anywhere had to have additional inspection (probably presuming the Chinese would try laundering theirs so it looked like American source). So guess who's catfish is exempt from the cost of this additional inspection - because it can't be called "catfish"? Now the American catfish farmers are trying to get Congress to force the Vietnamese to call their catfish "catfish". American catfish farming has declined quite a lot - but as I recall competition was not the problem, but water supplies and other factors. So how safe is Vietnamese catfish? I can only quote an American catfish farmer who went to Vietnam to gather propaganda with which to fight the imports. "We went over there expecting to see catfish raised in polluted water and processed in primitive facilities. That's not what we found, and were scared."

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