So we choose

Post #325,564 by beepster 5/2/10 10:27:05 PM Reply	So we choose selective enforcement, is that it? Folks in AZ have no rest stops on the highway from budget cuts, but should be forced by the Fed to keep paying for a problem that is not theirs. Also find it interesting that anyone that feels the undocumented folks should be removed is a racist. (thats what we would be led to believe). I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #325,565 by Another Scott 5/2/10 10:51:40 PM Reply	Nope. Arizona has no business trying to enforce federal law. We have government divided into different responsibilities (local, state, federal) for many good reasons. As Box said many times, being an undocumented/illegal alien is usually not a criminal offense. It is a civil offense. It's a federal responsibility to deal with it. http://www.immigrati...alEnforcement.pdf (6 page .pdf) Arizona does not have jurisdiction over immigration policy. The law is unconstitutional and almost certainly will be struck down if it isn't repealed first. IMHO. Rest stops are closed all over the country. It's not due to illegal immigration - it's because of the Republican policies the blew up the economy and state revenues have declined ~ 25% in some areas. I have no interest in reading WND nor Pat nor trying to read your mind about whatever "problem" that undocumented people in Arizona are causing that this law will somehow address. Whatever their stated reasoning, the Republicans in the Arizona legislature and the governor don't get overrule the Constitution. Also find it interesting that anyone that feels the undocumented folks should be removed is a racist. (thats what we would be led to believe). Another strawman. :-/ Cheers, Scott.
Post #325,566 by beepster 5/2/10 11:44:30 PM Reply	So what is a state to do when the fed abdicates its responsibility? This is the situation. Yes, it certainly is a constitutional issue and I expect the law to be struck down as well. Doesn't change the fact that Washington is completely inactive about an issue that is causing the border states severe economic harm and their citizenry real bodily harm. They are trying to do something, something their citizens by large numbers actually support. The farmers murder really galvanized the issue for AZ and we'll see if this actually gets the beltway off their ass. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #325,567 by Another Scott 5/3/10 12:11:19 AM Reply	What is a state to do about ANY federal issue? They can: 1) Lobby other states' representatives and senators to get legislation moving. 2) Vote out their existing representatives and replace them with ones who are more sympathetic to that issue. 3) Bring a lawsuit in federal court. Things like that. The states can't take unconstitutional actions because they feel the feds aren't doing their job. Immigration is hardly the only issue with federal responsibility and federal inaction over the last couple of decades... Cheers, Scott.
Post #325,568 by beepster 5/3/10 12:26:33 AM Reply	Its not unconstitutional until it is ruled as such and while there may be other things they aren't doing, not sure how many are resulting in the violent deaths of AZ citizens. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #325,569 by Another Scott 5/3/10 12:33:50 AM Reply	So asking for papers is going to cut the murder rate?
Post #325,570 by beepster 5/3/10 8:31:53 AM Reply	Possibly and seen alot of folks throwing out the "crime is down in AZ, so it can't be the illegals" argument being tossed about. Fact is about 15% of the inmates are illegal compared to about 7% of the population. There were some 1100 attacks on border patrols and about 300 kidnappings in Phoenix related to smuggling and human traffic. These are crimes with a specific root cause and pretty specific to the border. I don't expect that the folks in DC would get it, because they don't see it there...ever. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #325,572 by Another Scott 5/3/10 8:39:23 AM Reply	By that logic, all white males < 35 should be in prison.
Post #325,574 by beepster 5/3/10 8:45:06 AM Reply	Really you see a spat of drug related kidnappings going on in Butte Montana? I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #325,577 by boxley 5/3/10 9:03:20 AM Reply	here ya go http://www.maiwah.org/tong.htm If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #325,581 by beepster 5/3/10 9:47:32 AM 5/3/10 9:48:32 AM Reply	1922. Good find ;-) I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill. Edited by beepster May 3, 2010, 09:48:32 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #325,573 by boxley 5/3/10 8:41:25 AM Reply	jaysus beep if someone is killin robbin kidnapping catch em try em and hangem. If you are too lazy scared or dumb to do that dont grab granma off the street and kick her out of the country and trumpet you are fixing the problem. sheesh, bill If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)

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