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Post #325,312 by boxley 4/27/10 9:17:27 AM Reply	disagree Point out the federal statute that makes being an undocumented Alien within the US borders a criminal act. Arizona simply needs to enact a law that affects all workers, must have a county registered work permit. Must be documented to get it. No card no work they leave. As far as criminal acts, round em up and ship em out. Arizona has laws up the ass, so get busy enforcing what you got instead of using the old Indian Law. You know, cant find the Indian you want so punish the Indian you can find. I was hoping after a couple of hundred years we might have moved beyond that. If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #325,316 by beepster 4/27/10 9:47:14 AM Reply	Its not being here that does it.. ...its how you got in. All of those processes are well defined. And your alternative means that all people would have to register for work...lets see anyone pass something like that (national/state/county id card). Wouldn't float. And why should AZ and other border states have to fund all of the expense to police people that shouldn't be here in the first place? Thats the basis of what they are saying. Fed inaction has created an unsustainable situation in their state, which they are now acting to correct. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #325,318 by boxley 4/27/10 10:32:21 AM Reply	if you are seen wandering around phoenix without documents you cannot prove in a court of law how they got in. Nothing criminal in overstaying a day visit. here is a link on how similar laws were enacted in philly in 1956 to round up the undesirables. http://www.law.berke...iles/Skolnick.pdf We learn that the Philadelphia police regularly rounded up ÂundesirablesÂ in periodic drives. Caleb describes a drive against those so-called undesirables who were occupying PhiladelphiaÂs newly completed Independence Hall. The drive wasÂnot surprisingly-- popular with the general public, and surely with the editorial staff of The Philadelphia Inquirer, which titled an editorial, ÂGet Bums off the Street and Into Prison Cells.Â sounds familiar to sheriff Joe doesnt it? If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #325,319 by boxley 4/27/10 10:44:46 AM Reply	USSC has already addressed this . In a later case, a plurality of the Court interpreted Robinson to mean that the punishment of "mere status" is unconstitutional: "[C]riminal penalties may be inflicted only if the accused has committed some act . . . which society has an interest in preventing" (Powell v. Texas, 392 U.S. 514, 533 (1968)). Cant criminalize being hispanic If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #325,476 by boxley 4/30/10 11:57:20 AM Reply	like you said http://thehill.com/h...-national-id-card If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #325,550 by beepster 5/2/10 1:13:23 PM Reply	Brilliant do nothing at the border for years and years, then propose the ID card you've been trying so hard to get so you can fix the problem you created. We've softened on the idea...heck, most western nations have an id card system...so we're just being more like them, right? I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #325,350 by mhuber 4/28/10 3:51:53 AM Reply	Enforce what you've got My latest job was the first that actually demanded to see my SS card. I've never seen it myself, Dad wrote the number on a piece of paper for me when I needed it the first time. So I asked Dad for my card. He's got no clue where it is. Went to the Social Security office. Had all the ID I could find with me, including passport. They told me I wasn't legal to work. I'm a Mexican. True, I am Mexican. Born in the old DF. I showed them my passport, they said cool, State Dept. says you are a citizen, you are a citizen. They update my records, I get my job, all is well. Apparently Dad or Grandpa was supposed to fill out a paper that said "but his parents are Americans, so he is too" for me when I was little and forgot to do it. My point: I worked 30 years as an official, documented illegal alien. My papers, which I've never hidden, said (mistakenly) "this guy is a ferner, hell no you can't hire his wetback ass". And nobody has said "Boo". I'm suspecting because of my pale hide and impeccably semi-Germanic butchery of the ol' Anglo Saxon sprach. So, maybe instead of going out and checking people's papers because you fail to realize who the bad guys are when you watch old movies you ought to pay attention to the papers that legitimately come before you. --------------------------------------- Why, yes, I did give up something for lent. I gave up making sense.
Post #325,357 by Another Scott 4/28/10 7:27:31 AM Reply	It's so easy for paperwork to be wrong. J and her twin sister have Social Security numbers that differ by one digit. And similar first names. Naturally, over the years, mistakes have been made in various credit reports. The end result was that when it came time to refinance a mortgage, the bankers would say things like - "hey, your cost is going to go up because you don't have enough income for 2 houses." Stress would ensue. They sometimes get mail for the other even though they live 1500 miles apart. And we don't even have National ID Cards. Yet... Thanks for the post. Be happy you don't live in Arizona! But apparently similar laws are being pushed in Ohio (of all places)... Cheers, Scott.

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