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New The most difficult idea from Marx for me to understand.
"Religion is the opiate of the people."

When I was much younger (a teenager) and had the typical myopic Western view that religion=Christianity, I struggled with this for a long time. From what I knew of Marx and what I knew of Christianity, I could not understand Marx's quasi-hatred of religion. For me, what Christ said and what Marx said were much easier to reconcile than what Christ said and what Western (particularly Murican) capitalism said.

What I came up with then, and as of yet I have no better explanation, is that Christians are good to their fellow man in order to be rewarded after death. Even if one follows what Christ said, the motivation for being a good member of society remains self-interest. This is appauling to the true communist. I realize now that this is not the sole reason for the above famous observation, but I remain convinced that it is morally reprehensible to be a good member of society only because of some promised future gain for one's self.

As usual, you are dead-on about the corruption of the idea of a communist state in the CCCP. I've often wondered how things might have worked out had Trotsky, instead of Stalin, ascended to power.
New Opiate of the people
This statement voices the obvious from a geopolitikal prospective. The religion as practiced in Eaurope and the Russia pre 1917 was a state sponsored religion that with pagentry and drama allowed the little folk to let off steam. I am not taking anything away from a "true believer" but speaking from an organizational standpoint. Upheavals and wars were tempered by the messages from the pulpit which allowed acceptance of pain and suffering much like taking opium does. I dont think he spoke of it hatefully, just recognising a fact on the ground.
thanx,
bill
The Bill of Rights, Void where ptohibited.
New Was Marx a Just Say No devotee?
The usual understanding of the quote assumes that Marx considered opiates a bad thing. I don't know whether he did or not. In any case, tame religion does pretty much the same things to a population that opiates do to organisms.

* the word "tame" is a reference to Narnia, as in "not a tame lion".
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United we stand

Divided we dominate the planet without really trying
New Yes, that aspect of Christianity (as most often practised) -
is well noticed by most everyone in the world - except Christians. It is then (after it's mentioned) fashionable to become all defensive about an imagined criticism of 'Jesus' - it couldn't possibly be a criticism of the poverty of comprehension of His followers, now could it?

The Kingdom of God is all around you, yet you will not see it -- was the quote (from Timothy? IIRC) - in one of Jos. Campbell's talks with Bill Moyers. The 'esoteric wing' of Christianity 'gets it' similarly to all the much older religions' esoteric wings. The common folk are in it for What's In It for Me\ufffd [now and later].

And it is the common folk who are, by def'n, 'that infamous LCD' - those who love being Righteous and sanctimonious; preferably backed by Large Weapons. As in March 2002: as The Bulletin of The Atomic Scientists' clock was recently moved up to

5 Minutes Before Midnight.


deja vu... deja vu... Are all the Original thinkers now dead, to be found only in textbooks?



Ashton
     Communism as a classical theory - (boxley) - (15)
         Think we've been through the battle of words - (Ashton) - (13)
             not in the beginning, it was a sincere attempt - (boxley) - (1)
                 All true - such as, currently we are. We might become more. -NT - (Ashton)
             I was nearly beaten for saying that once. - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                 Its not about schooling. - (bepatient) - (8)
                     It's not human nature. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                         Um...ok. - (bepatient) - (1)
                             Two, actually. And I fear I've done them a disservice. - (mmoffitt)
                     A false idea of 'natural' IMhO. Common____but false. - (Ashton) - (4)
                         The most difficult idea from Marx for me to understand. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                             Opiate of the people - (boxley) - (1)
                                 Was Marx a Just Say No devotee? - (mhuber)
                             Yes, that aspect of Christianity (as most often practised) - - (Ashton)
                 ROFL! - (boxley)
         Re: Communism as a classical theory - (brewtus)

When will they realize that their stupid cult is not the only one?
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