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New It may be something you have to live with.
Depends on the source, apparently.

http://www.audioholi...oxed-and-pan-scan

High Definition Televisions and Aspect Ratios - I Still See Black Bars!!!

Yes, HDTVs did not eliminate the need for black bars. What we hope, is that once people understand the reason for this, it won't bother them nearly as much. HDTV did for television what DVD did for home video - and it's now doing so at about the same amazing pace. Widescreen TVs, and high definition television programming is set at a 16:9 (or 1:1.78) aspect ratio. They match. What doesn't match are many films which are shot at a much wider aspect ratio, as well as standard definition and DTV programming which is still at 4:3.

What this means is that even though you now have a brand new high definition television, you will still experience black bars from time to time, or you'll need to scale your video to stretch to fit the TV. In either case, this isn't a bad thing, just part of being involved in a transition period and point of tremendous technological change.

Recommendations for Handling Formats Correctly on Your Television

Before making any recommendations, we'll need to know what kind of television you have and what you're watching. Here are some common scenarios and our suggested guidelines:

* HDTV with HDTV content: Congratulations, you'll be enjoying the full potential of your television with no black bars or distortion. Be sure your TV is set to its standard (non Zoom, non stretch) mode for the best possible picture.
* HDTV with standard definition, DTV content, or 4:3/pan-and-scan/full screen DVD: In order to watch content in its proper aspect ratio you'll see black bars on the left and right of the television screen (effectively rendering your new 16:9 television into a 4:3 television.) Another option is to use a stretch or smart stretch mode to fit the content to the full width of the television. Make sure your DVD player is set correctly in 16:9/widescreen mode.
* HDTV with widescreen/anamorphic DVD: Here you will see black bars on the top and bottom of the picture. This is simply because the original image is wider than the HDTV. To preserve the picture in its entirety, leave the television set to standard mode and be sure your DVD player is set correctly in 16:9/widescreen mode.
* Standard 4:3 TV with standard definition, DTV content, or 4:3/pan-and-scan/full screen DVD: You won't have any problems playing any of this content on your TV and it will show without any black bars. Make sure your DVD player is set correctly in 4:3/pan-and-scan mode.
* Standard 4:3 TV with widescreen/anamorphic DVD: Here you will see black bars on the top and bottom of the picture. This is simply because the original image is significantly wider than the TV. To preserve the picture in its entirety, leave the television set to standard mode and be sure your DVD player is set correctly in 16:9/widescreen mode.

So where does this leave us? Well, it hopefully explained a bit about aspect ratios and why black bars are going to be a part of your television viewing experience for some time. I also hope it illustrates that these black bars are not necessarily a bad thing as they preserve and display movie content in the manner it was original conceived.


HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who hasn't had to deal with this stuff yet...)
New None of those cases fit
I've got widescreen TV (with integrated DVD player) and a widescreen movie. Set to no zoom, the aspect ratio I see is exactly the same as the screen with a uniform black border all the way around. There is no display format that will show the picture zoomed to fill the screen without cutting off the ends, and the only zoom format that stretches it to the sides doesn't stretch it vertically at all.
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Drew
New Linky?
As I understand it, if you can't zoom it to fit, then either the black bars are encoded in the DVD or the aspect ratio doesn't match your TV.

What DVD are we talking about? If you're trying to watch "This is Cinerama", well, you're going to be out of luck. ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Happens with every widescreen I've tried
And on two different (cheap) players. One is the in-car player, the other is the small TV. Both have integrated DVD. I'll find one and shoot a quick vid to show it.
--

Drew
New Video of what it looks like
http://www.youtube.c...tch?v=J1yKKTKYe3E

The 16:9 setting might be showing the correct format, but the top and bottom bars are the same as on 4:3, so I don't think so.
--

Drew
New I think it's working as designed.
http://www.cobyusa.com/?p=glossary

Letterboxing

The scaling of a widescreen image to fit a standard 4:3 aspect ratio TV screen by shrinking the image so that the width fits exactly. The horizontal black bars that appear above and below the image are actually recorded with the picture, so some of the picture's vertical resolution is lost when you view it. Letterboxing is much more common on DVD movies than VHS videos.


It looks like you want an "anamorphic" version of the movie:

Anamorphic

A type of widescreen display format commonly found on DVD movies. It is optimized for playback on a TV with 16:9 aspect ratio (or TVs with a "vertical squeeze" viewing mode like Sony's 16:9 Enhanced). On a standard TV, anamorphic material look horizontally squeezed. Anamorphic DVDs are often labeled on their cases "enhanced for 16x9 televisions," "enhanced for widescreen televisions," "16x9 anamorphic," or "anamorphic widescreen." An anamorphic widescreen DVD has significantly higher resolution than a letterboxed widescreen DVD. For example, for a film shot in the commonly-used 1.85:1 aspect ratio, a letterboxed DVD presentation uses only 345 vertical scan lines (the remaining scan lines are taken up by the horizontal black bars above and below the image). That same film in anamorphic widescreen will use anywhere from 460 to the full 480 scan lines.


HTH. Corrections welcome.

Cheers,
Scott.
New "Enhanced for widescreen" is worse
That one just said it preserved the 1.85 ratio. So I tried one that said "Enhanced for widescreen TVs". That one had a black border from the TV all around the image, plus black bars top and bottom from the DVD.

I could stretch to 16:9 format, which just eliminated the TV-added border on the sides, or "Cinema" which zoomed (preserving aspect ratio) so that the top and bottom TV-added border was gone, which cut off lots of the sides, and still kept the black borders top and bottom from the DVD. No zoom mode eliminated the DVD letterboxing.

I know this is a cheap DVD player, but this is just ridiculous.
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Drew
New I guess you're stuck. Sorry.
New The 16 x 9 looked about right.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
     How do widescreen TVs deal with widescreen DVDs? - (drook) - (26)
         It may be something you have to live with. - (Another Scott) - (8)
             None of those cases fit - (drook) - (7)
                 Linky? - (Another Scott) - (6)
                     Happens with every widescreen I've tried - (drook) - (5)
                         Video of what it looks like - (drook) - (4)
                             I think it's working as designed. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                 "Enhanced for widescreen" is worse - (drook) - (1)
                                     I guess you're stuck. Sorry. -NT - (Another Scott)
                             The 16 x 9 looked about right. -NT - (beepster)
         Crap DVD player - (crazy)
         What you should see - (beepster)
         It looks like you've been got twice. - (static) - (11)
             That's what I suspect too - (SpiceWare) - (10)
                 It's a Coby something or other. No sign of an online manual. -NT - (Another Scott)
                 Score! - (drook) - (8)
                     Saw with it Video TVs years ago. - (static) - (7)
                         This was a deal on Woot - (drook) - (6)
                             wonder if that's why it was on Woot! - (SpiceWare) - (2)
                                 Wouldn't surprise me - (drook) - (1)
                                     :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                             I forgot to mention. - (static) - (2)
                                 next time you want a portable dvd player buy a macbook -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                     Two problems with that. - (static)
         Synchronicity - (drook) - (2)
             Things I've learnt about HD TV. - (static) - (1)
                 turned out the other way here - (SpiceWare)

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