Post #32,505
3/17/02 10:12:53 AM
3/17/02 10:15:52 AM
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Main difference . .
. . is ignition. Diesel injector sprays fuel into air heated by compression. This allows diesels to use crude, less volatile fuel. Such fuel is cheaper and yields more energy per gallon.
On the negative side, the injection process causes a sort of explosion which causes diesel engines to be noisy, and the crude fuel results in high levels of air polution, in particular, particulate, some of which may be cancer causing. They also smell real bad. I refer to diesel Mercedes (of which there still are some around here) as "stench cars".
Diesel was popular for awhile with "Volvo liberals", ecofreaks and other self appointed "counter culture" types because they were sure there would still be diesel during gasoline shortages. Air polution and health problems just didn't come up - they were just as good at self serving denial as today's SUV drivers. Fortunately that generation of vehicles is all in the junk yards by now.
Herr Diesel himself was a victim of the diesel engine. He just couldn't understand why the government of Germany was supressing his efforts to market his invention, so he got on a channel ferry to go sell it in England. The passenger list was short one Kraut at the other side. The German government had already decided that the low volutility of diesel fuel made it ideal for uboats, and if Herr Diesel didn't have the sense to keep his mouth shut, they would help.
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Main difference . .
. . is ignition. Diesel injector sprays fuel into air heated by compression. This allows diesels to use crude, less volatile fuel.
On the negative side, the injection process causes a sort of explosion which causes diesel engines to be noisy, and the crude fuel results in high levels of air polution, in particular, particulate, some of which may be cancer causing. They also smell real bad. I refer to diesel Mercedes (of which there still are some around here) as "stench cars".
Diesel was popular for awhile with "Volvo liberals", ecofreaks and other self appointed "counter culture" types because they were sure there would still be diesel during gasoline shortages. Air polution and health problems just didn't come up - they were just as good at self serving denial as today's SUV drivers. Fortunately that generation of vehicles is all in the junk yards by now.
Herr Diesel himself was a victim of the diesel engine. He just couldn't understand why the government of Germany was supressing his efforts to market his invention, so he got on a channel ferry to go sell it in England. The passenger list was short one Kraut at the other side. The German government had already decided that the low volutility of diesel fuel made it ideal for uboats, and if Herr Diesel didn't have the sense to keep his mouth shut, they would help.
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Post #32,535
3/17/02 11:42:48 PM
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TDI, however, is a good solution for cars
TDI = new turbo charged diesels with fancy fuel injection. The only models available in the US are from VW, and I believe they aren't selling really well. But, they're becoming very popular in Europe.
The good side? Better fuel economy than gas, with very low emissions and decent performance -- or so they say (I haven't driven one). The bad side? I believe they require a better grade of diesel (low sulfur?).
Oh, and I've also heard that lower taxes on diesel (compared to gas) are another motivation in Europe.
Since I'm not a TDI expert, any corrections or additions welcome.
Tony
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Post #32,538
3/18/02 12:40:42 AM
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Yep, my son had a TDI VW Passat wagon.
He loved it, but since it is not marketed here in US, sold it in Germany before moving back to US. It also has pretty good torque at low RPM. These cars are less noxious because of a particulate filter that is replaced about once year.
Peugeot has a particulate filter regeneration technology to incinerate the soot so the filter is not changed. [link|www.meca.org/avecc/Seguelong(rev).PDF|PDF file link.]
Alex
"Never express yourself more clearly than you think." -- Neils Bohr (1885-1962)
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Post #32,544
3/18/02 4:25:43 AM
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Diesel minivans
I recently bought a minivan like vehicle (9 seats) which is TDI (all the minivan type vehicles in Israel are diesel). Diesel is very popular in Israel because there are high taxes on gas (making it about $4 a gallon, while there are no taxes on diesel fuel) and in a big vehicle like a van you get much better gas mileage.
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Post #32,657
3/18/02 6:42:36 PM
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Hey Andy - nice teaser there..
Now, what knowest thou re Herr Diesel's one-way trip? Never heard *that* story. Was that the 'end' or just the incarceration?
Gossip: the daily activity of homo-sap, in between and during wars.
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Post #32,682
3/18/02 10:30:39 PM
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Body found floating days later.
In 1913 he had just sold the idea of using diesel engines for submarines to the French navy and was on his way to sell the idea to the British navy. British newspapers blamed it on the French, but no evidence was ever found, and many think it was suicide (he had a history of depressions).
I reject the suicide theory entirely because conspiracy theories are much more fun. Lacking a suicide note there is no direct evidence for suicide. On the other hand, he was known to be friendly to the French, Brittish and Americans, and the German navy was going gung-ho for diesel uboats.
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Post #32,704
3/19/02 4:30:56 AM
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I was going to comment, but forgot...
...as I decided to sweep most of my comments into a single post, in stead of replying separately to you, Tony, and so on.
Just FWIW, this was the first I'd ever heard of this particular conspiracy theory; I'd say the suicide story, the only one I'd ever heard/read before, is the canonical version.
But, hey, it doesn't even look all that improbable -- I'd always wondered why the heck he'd go and do that for.
So, I see you didn't rise to my (counter-)bait about soot?
Or is it just that you haven't, _yet_...? :-)
Christian R. Conrad Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764|Andrew Grygus]
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