Not the same thing.

You can take the R2k poll results or leave them. That's fine.

States cannot opt out of Social Security. Some state and local government retirement systems were separate from Social Security, for a time. Federal employees under CSRS did not pay into it. CSRS closed to new Federal employees on January 1, 1987.

CSRS existed before Social Security. CSRS is a defined benefit system.

http://www.opm.gov/R...RE/CSRS/INDEX.ASP

CSRS was replaced by FERS. People under FERS pay into Social Security.

Around 50% of CalPERS members pay into Social Security. http://www.calpers.c...facts/general.pdf (7 page .pdf)

If you had pointed to the 51st state of West Nebraska and said - "You're Wrong! People in West Nebraska doesn't pay into Social Security!" - you might have a point. ;-)

Cuccinelli isn't saying he's going to sue the US because Virginia would be prevented from creating a defined benefit program for state employees. He's saying he will sue because he thinks the Act violates the 9th and 10th Amendments rights of Virginians.

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.

Post #323,282 by Another Scott 3/22/10 11:00:57 PM Reply	Not the same thing. You can take the R2k poll results or leave them. That's fine. States cannot opt out of Social Security. Some state and local government retirement systems were separate from Social Security, for a time. Federal employees under CSRS did not pay into it. CSRS closed to new Federal employees on January 1, 1987. CSRS existed before Social Security. CSRS is a defined benefit system. http://www.opm.gov/R...RE/CSRS/INDEX.ASP CSRS was replaced by FERS. People under FERS pay into Social Security. Around 50% of CalPERS members pay into Social Security. http://www.calpers.c...facts/general.pdf (7 page .pdf) If you had pointed to the 51st state of West Nebraska and said - "You're Wrong! People in West Nebraska doesn't pay into Social Security!" - you might have a point. ;-) Cuccinelli isn't saying he's going to sue the US because Virginia would be prevented from creating a defined benefit program for state employees. He's saying he will sue because he thinks the Act violates the 9th and 10th Amendments rights of Virginians. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #323,283 by beepster 3/22/10 11:28:59 PM Reply	Difference as healthcare is state legislated at the insurance company level (the law did not free providers to cross those boundaries), forcing participation at the national level into state legislated providers may be a problem. The coops may alleviate this...but I don't believe its as cut and dry as you think. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #323,284 by Another Scott 3/22/10 11:39:44 PM Reply	AFAIK, states can't opt out of Medicare. Yeah, we'll see.
Post #323,294 by boxley 3/23/10 8:46:47 AM Reply	have a link http://doa.alaska.gov/drb/ when I was a state employee I paid zero social security, only paid pers. There goes your mandate If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #323,303 by Another Scott 3/23/10 9:29:16 AM Reply	State employee ==/== All citizens of the state. HTH.
Post #323,306 by boxley 3/23/10 9:40:48 AM Reply	mandate==all no exceptions HTH If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #323,308 by Another Scott 3/23/10 9:44:33 AM Reply	...

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