not a repealable issue at this point

Post #323,241 by boxley 3/22/10 3:35:31 PM Reply	not a repealable issue at this point If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #323,245 by lincoln 3/22/10 3:53:52 PM Reply	Re: not a repealable issue at this point Then why are they all saying that they will repeal it when they regain the majority in 2010? "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #323,248 by rcareaga 3/22/10 4:18:17 PM Reply	Regaining the majority Apparently not merely a majority, but a veto-proof majority. That's a lot of chickens. cordially,
Post #323,255 by boxley 3/22/10 4:49:33 PM Reply	no only that but the public wont buy a repeal there is enough anger over the current plan to overthrow a lot of incumbents a repeal would light up the other side If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #323,264 by Another Scott 3/22/10 6:22:39 PM Reply	It's a talking point to stay in the news. Just like these AG lawsuits, etc., etc. It doesn't matter if they can't do what they claim they're trying to do - that's not the point. They want to keep their "base" riled up and stay in the news for the upcoming elections. The GOP is no longer a reality-based party. Trying to view what they say through a reality filter will only show a void. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #323,265 by boxley 3/22/10 6:49:36 PM Reply	dont look at dem polls 10th amendment may allow states to opt out and with obama polls in the toilet lets wait a few months before you start reading too much reality into politics. If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #323,269 by Another Scott 3/22/10 7:53:31 PM Reply	I think the mandate will survive just fine. Can the states opt out of the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) program (commonly known as Social Security)? "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009" is also a national program; national participation is required. The mandate isn't unconstitutional. http://www.healthref...health-insurance/ Ken Cuccinelli (Virginia's new attorney general) is a perfect example of an AG who lives to be in the news, no matter how much time or money he wastes in the process. He's a wingnut too - http://en.wikipedia....ki/Ken_Cuccinelli They can file their suits - they're not going to end the program's requirements (and benefits). Obama's and the Democrats' poll numbers are nothing to worry about. It's the Republicans that should be worried (and the election is a long way off). http://dailykos.com/weeklytrends (the polling is done by Research 2000 - a reputable outfit). FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #323,275 by rcareaga 3/22/10 8:59:07 PM Reply	You strive in vain, Another Scott... attempting to appeal to the better angels of the two Bs' judgment. It ain't gonna happen: those angels don't exist. But I applaud anew your unfailingly courteous and reasonable responses to their hallucinations. cordially,
Post #323,280 by beepster 3/22/10 10:40:43 PM Reply	Interesting a post is made regarding AG suits that was listed in CNN, MSNBC and the like...and commentary made about whether or not they have legs... then a good natured opinion on why one thinks they may not be successful... why..thats good natured internet discussion... then you came along... you're so darned >chipper<... (darned those nightly news hallucinations...must have been the brown acid...I knew Wolf Blitzer couldn't be a >real< name) I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #323,278 by boxley 3/22/10 10:05:36 PM Reply	daily kos polls isnt tht like the cia polls in brezhnev era? you as a gummint employee should know better of course states can opt out of social security. PERS ring a bell? If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #323,282 by Another Scott 3/22/10 11:00:57 PM Reply	Not the same thing. You can take the R2k poll results or leave them. That's fine. States cannot opt out of Social Security. Some state and local government retirement systems were separate from Social Security, for a time. Federal employees under CSRS did not pay into it. CSRS closed to new Federal employees on January 1, 1987. CSRS existed before Social Security. CSRS is a defined benefit system. http://www.opm.gov/R...RE/CSRS/INDEX.ASP CSRS was replaced by FERS. People under FERS pay into Social Security. Around 50% of CalPERS members pay into Social Security. http://www.calpers.c...facts/general.pdf (7 page .pdf) If you had pointed to the 51st state of West Nebraska and said - "You're Wrong! People in West Nebraska doesn't pay into Social Security!" - you might have a point. ;-) Cuccinelli isn't saying he's going to sue the US because Virginia would be prevented from creating a defined benefit program for state employees. He's saying he will sue because he thinks the Act violates the 9th and 10th Amendments rights of Virginians. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #323,283 by beepster 3/22/10 11:28:59 PM Reply	Difference as healthcare is state legislated at the insurance company level (the law did not free providers to cross those boundaries), forcing participation at the national level into state legislated providers may be a problem. The coops may alleviate this...but I don't believe its as cut and dry as you think. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #323,284 by Another Scott 3/22/10 11:39:44 PM Reply	AFAIK, states can't opt out of Medicare. Yeah, we'll see.
Post #323,294 by boxley 3/23/10 8:46:47 AM Reply	have a link http://doa.alaska.gov/drb/ when I was a state employee I paid zero social security, only paid pers. There goes your mandate If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #323,303 by Another Scott 3/23/10 9:29:16 AM Reply	State employee ==/== All citizens of the state. HTH.
Post #323,306 by boxley 3/23/10 9:40:48 AM Reply	mandate==all no exceptions HTH If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
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Post #323,286 by rcareaga 3/22/10 11:51:16 PM Reply	you and beep It delights me to watch you writhe. cordially,
Post #323,295 by beepster 3/23/10 8:48:44 AM Reply	you must be on acid as you are obviously seeing things that just aren't there. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
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