McCain and Lieberman Hate Americans

Post #323,187 by lincoln 3/21/10 2:22:13 PM Reply	McCain and Lieberman Hate Americans McCain and Lieberman Propose Bill to Strip U.S. Citizens Suspected of Terrorism of All Rights Via Eric Martin, Marc Ambinder says: A close reading of the [Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010] suggests it would allow the U.S. military to detain U.S. citizens without trial indefinitely in the U.S. based on suspected activity He's wrong. The bill does not "allow the U.S. military to detain U.S. citizens without trial indefinitely". It requires it. It's not optional. Section 2(a) of the bill (pdf): MILITARY CUSTODY REQUIREMENT.ÂWhenever within the United States, its territories, and possessions, or outside the territorial limits of the United States, an individual is captured or otherwise comes into the custody or under the effective control of the United States who is suspected of engaging in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners through an act of terrorism, or by other means in violation of the laws of war, or of purposely and materially supporting such hostilities, and who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent, the individual shall be placed in military custody for purposes of initial interrogation and determination of status in accordance with the provisions of this Act. (Emphasis supplied.) This means that anyone, U.S. citizen or not, who is simply suspected of engaging in terrorism or "of purposely and materially supporting such hostilities" must be turned over to the military. source: http://mithras.blogs...f-all-rights.html "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #323,191 by boxley 3/21/10 2:57:18 PM Reply	hates americans as much as obama If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #323,193 by mhuber 3/21/10 3:30:23 PM Reply	Yeah, that's the talking point "Inadequate" and "outrageous" are the same thing. --------------------------------------- Why, yes, I did give up something for lent. I gave up making sense.
Post #323,195 by boxley 3/21/10 3:45:19 PM Reply	funny it doesnt mention the assasination list wonder why they forgot that or is it a separation of powers thingy? http://www.salon.com.../2010/01/27/yemen The people on this "hit list" are likely to be killed while at home, sleeping in their bed, driving in a car with friends or family, or engaged in a whole array of other activities. More critically still, the Obama administration -- like the Bush administration before it -- defines the "battlefield" as the entire world. So the President claims the power to order U.S. citizens killed anywhere in the world, while engaged even in the most benign activities carried out far away from any actual battlefield, based solely on his say-so and with no judicial oversight or other checks. That's quite a power for an American President to claim for himself. If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)

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