>> [on dumping] But the people running the business don't necessarily
>> think it's a good idea, which is where Government comes in. ...
>> So the people running the company, who don't care for pollution
>> any better than you do, want the Government to stop everybody from doing it
>> -- and the way to do that is tell the Government what they're doing, ...

They do this even if it costs the company money? Nonsense. No business voluntarily does anything that subtracts from the bottom line. The truth is that the only reason any business exists is to make money for its shareholders. There is no other motivation for any business anywhere. What you suggest here is what I suspect has been done and is in no small measure the reason that we in the US pump vastly more pollution into the environment than our population would lead one to predict.

>> But, under your rules, that's impossible -- the minute any admission is made,
>> bang go the penalties, and all the others go ::whew:: coulda been us, and go
>> turn the taps up higher. This is one of the principal reasons business is so
>> rabidly against anything based on Kyoto; ...

Wrong again, Pollyanna. The reason businesses are "so rabidly against anything based on Kyoto" is that implementation of that Treaty WILL COST THEM MONEY (see above for an explanation of that).

Instead of saying, "::whew::" they better say "yikes, we're next" and plan/correct their behavior accordingly.

>> the Europeans get to stand pat on where they are, ...

Hmmmm, could that be because they don't pollute as much as we do? No, no, of course not - Kyoto was an agreement that was well researched and painstakingly negotiated to pick on Murican bizness, right?