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Post #321,132 by Another Scott 2/8/10 9:36:40 AM Reply	I'm still here. :-) Lots more photos are on Flikr, e.g. http://www.flickr.co...ypse&s=rec#page=0 Cheers, Scott.
Post #321,135 by boxley 2/8/10 9:53:17 AM Reply	could be worse you could live in King NC buncha retards http://www.wxii12.co...87153/detail.html King SOE gives me a better understanding of "arrogance of officialdom" in this quote: What Have We Learned In 2064 Years? "The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero--55 BC some things never change If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #321,137 by Another Scott 2/8/10 10:13:47 AM Reply	King is just up the road from Mayberry, RFD. http://en.wikipedia....#Real-life_models Many little towns around there are stuck in 1950s TV Land. Cheers, Scott.
Post #321,138 by rcareaga 2/8/10 10:16:55 AM Reply	another thing that never changes ...is the willingness of people like box to circulate bogus quotations like this one attributed to Cicero, which appears nowhere in the oratorical opportunist's works and which first appeared in print in an editorial in the Kansas City Star on 15 January 1896. See They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, and Misleading Attributions by Paul F. Boller Jr. and John George, Oxford University Press, 1989. cordially,
Post #321,139 by boxley 2/8/10 10:30:31 AM Reply	close enuff for govt work The Truth: This alleged quote from Marcus Tullius Cicero that began circulating on the Internet in October, 2008, is based on a true statement from the great Roman orator, but someone added a lot to it to make it match some of what the United States was facing economically. The actual quote is: "The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and assistance to foreign hands should be curtailed, lest Rome fall." If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #321,149 by drook 2/8/10 11:07:03 AM Reply	Assistance to foreign hands != public assistance That addition makes makes the false version appear to be primarily about personal responsibility. The real quote was about the danger of over-reaching. Which I've been thinking about lately. Someone quoted the line about Switzerland recently: "Five hundred years of peace and democracy and what have they produced? The cuckoo clock?" My first thought was, "Well, that and five hundred years of peace and democracy." There's something to be said for an overdeveloped sense of "None of my business." Yes, the Nazis were evil, and keeping those deposits for all these decades seems wrong. But haven't (some) people been saying for a while now that you can't force people to embrace freedom/democracy/just-plain-goodness, they have to take it for themselves? Perhaps that's what Cicero was talking about, in not offering help to foreign hands. -- Drew
Post #321,152 by boxley 2/8/10 11:32:11 AM Reply	actually the above was a 1/2 assed apology to rand not serious. Cut n Paste on the net is easy and lazy If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #321,153 by rcareaga 2/8/10 11:47:54 AM Reply	Make it a full-assed apology and we'll talk Your "actual quote" comes word-for-word from that same Kansas City Star editorial. It probably made its way into living memory and thence onto the internets via hack novelist Taylor Caldwell's 1965 novel A Pillar of Iron, which is apparently littered with similar bogosities. For the Caldwell connection I am indebted to a 1971 letter to the Chicago Tribune by John H. Collins, Professor of History at Northern Illinois University, who added that a novelist "has a perfect right to put invented conversations and anecdotes into a novel, but should not represent these inventions as authentic history." Spurious quotations attributed to eminent characters of the past are by way of a minor hobby of mine, box. If I tell you one of these is of dodgy provenance you can take that assertion—but not the counterfeit nugget—to the bank. cordially,
Post #321,155 by boxley 2/8/10 11:52:38 AM Reply	full-assed it is always glad to get called on something, learn something new every day If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #321,169 by Andrew Grygus 2/8/10 2:08:28 PM Reply	We've got no snow here - but . . . . . our mud beats your snow easy. Fortunately it doesn't cover a wide area. Friday's "fast moving showers" unexpectedly turned out to be the most intense rains of the year, and just hung around all night. Just checked with one of my clients who lives 2 blocks below a notorious checkdam. His place is at the end of a cul-de-sac that trends uphill, and it escaped serious damage, but he says the rest of the homes on his block were hit bad and the all the houses on the street above were totally destroyed. The checkdam was ineffective because it quickly filled up with boulders about 10 feet in diameter and estimated to weigh about 18,000 pounds each. Heavy concrete k-rail barriers chained together to contain mud flows to the street were simply washed away like so many twigs. The damage was, as usual, confined to wealthy areas.
Post #321,183 by Another Scott 2/8/10 3:32:42 PM Reply	:-/ Glad you're Ok. Hang in there.
Post #321,184 by Andrew Grygus 2/8/10 3:41:43 PM Reply	No problem here - I'm below a different check dam . . . . . and a good mile down the street. The big flooding and 12 foot rolling rocks were back in the 1920's on this street - and this street isn't wealthy enough to attract the real disasters. The rain was intense enough, though to find a leak in the roof - which had survived an entire week of rain the week before. I'll have to go up and have a look while it's still bright, sunny and warm.
Post #321,187 by static 2/8/10 5:09:46 PM Reply	I'm curious. How does the wealthy of the residents attract the disasters? I'm guessing because they have the funds to do monumentally stupid landscaping... Wade. Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
Post #321,191 by Andrew Grygus 2/8/10 8:59:13 PM Reply	No, it's not so much their landscaping . . . . . it's more site selection. The wealthy want seclusion, picturesque scenery and huge lots for palaces and horses and such. They build farther and farther out on the periphery, farther up slopes and farther into undeveloped areas and don't ever think of the consequences. When there's a disaster, the wealthy are first in its path, They provide a good buffer zone between disasters and us regular folks.

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