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Post #32,025 by Brandioch 3/13/02 12:56:48 PM Reply	And in your world, criminals write the laws? Thank you for illustrating EXACTLY why your practice is bad policy. Why would ANYONE who is LEGALLY poisoning the environment have any interest in restricting their practices? Why would ANYONE who is ILLEGALLY poisoning the environment have any interest in making their actions MORE illegal? Why can't you close the loopholes YOURSELF?!?
Post #32,042 by bepatient 3/13/02 1:49:01 PM Reply	Why do I bother? Public policy is about balance. Your methodology has no balance because it eliminates the officials ability to get candid advice. If you don't see it that way. Fine. We'll just leave it at that. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #32,045 by Brandioch 3/13/02 1:59:28 PM Reply	Crime is not "advice". Your methodology has no balance because it eliminates the officials ability to get candid advice. You're claiming that the people who willingly poison the environment have useful input for future policy? Whatever. If you don't see it that way. Fine. We'll just leave it at that. No. I'm interested in your explanation of WHY someone who is WILLINGLY poisoning the environment would give you advice on how to stop him or how to increase his cost-of-doing-business.

White House: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. - (Silverlock) - (88) - March 11, 2002, 09:35:20 AM EST

The part I don't understand..... - (Brandioch) - (86) - March 11, 2002, 11:13:55 AM EST

My lack of understanding is different - (Silverlock) - (85) - March 11, 2002, 11:34:36 AM EST

Here's the theory - (drewk) - (1) - March 11, 2002, 11:45:12 AM EST

Good insight -NT - (SpiceWare) - March 11, 2002, 12:33:58 PM EST

Dates, names, topics of discussion - (bepatient) - (82) - March 11, 2002, 12:07:15 PM EST

We do NOT have a right to know. - (mmoffitt) - (80) - March 11, 2002, 01:16:10 PM EST

Well golly... - (bepatient) - (78) - March 11, 2002, 01:33:46 PM EST

Exactly how stupid are these executives? - (mmoffitt) - (76) - March 11, 2002, 02:51:38 PM EST

The policy is a part of the public record. - (bepatient) - (75) - March 11, 2002, 03:10:15 PM EST

Sorry, thought that was rhetorical. - (mmoffitt) - (72) - March 11, 2002, 03:22:41 PM EST

Well then... - (bepatient) - (71) - March 11, 2002, 03:51:31 PM EST

Huh? How does that follow? - (mmoffitt) - (70) - March 11, 2002, 04:02:58 PM EST

Are you actually... - (bepatient) - (69) - March 11, 2002, 05:08:45 PM EST

You mean.... - (Brandioch) - (1) - March 11, 2002, 05:14:12 PM EST

No. I don't. -NT - (bepatient) - March 11, 2002, 05:25:04 PM EST

I knew the bias would come out if I waited long enough. - (mmoffitt) - (66) - March 12, 2002, 09:07:21 AM EST

That's not the problem - (drewk) - (12) - March 12, 2002, 10:33:50 AM EST

I don't see the problem. - (Brandioch) - (11) - March 12, 2002, 12:20:13 PM EST

During the years when the dems had the house - (boxley) - (10) - March 12, 2002, 12:23:44 PM EST

If you accept what they hand you, you deserve what you get. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (8) - March 12, 2002, 01:08:42 PM EST

each according to my needs of their abilities? -NT - (boxley) - (7) - March 12, 2002, 01:52:32 PM EST

No. each according to THEIR needs ;-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (6) - March 13, 2002, 09:58:38 AM EST

who decides? commisar=ceo same diff :) -NT - (boxley) - (5) - March 13, 2002, 10:51:41 AM EST

How about letting me decide? :-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4) - March 13, 2002, 12:33:11 PM EST

equals each according to my needs of their abilities :) -NT - (boxley) - (3) - March 13, 2002, 12:41:30 PM EST

No, I am more equal than you are :) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 13, 2002, 01:04:39 PM EST

thats why (communism-people=works)(communism+people=doesnt) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - March 13, 2002, 01:50:22 PM EST

How do you know? It's never been tried. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 14, 2002, 01:28:39 PM EST

That's why we should do it in public. - (Brandioch) - March 12, 2002, 02:48:44 PM EST

Absolutely, completely and uttlerly wrong. - (bepatient) - (5) - March 12, 2002, 03:26:21 PM EST

So, part of your job is accommodation. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - March 13, 2002, 09:43:29 AM EST

Bzzzt...wrong again. - (bepatient) - March 13, 2002, 01:41:28 PM EST

And in your world, criminals write the laws? - (Brandioch) - (2) - March 13, 2002, 12:56:48 PM EST

Why do I bother? - (bepatient) - (1) - March 13, 2002, 01:49:01 PM EST

Crime is not "advice". - (Brandioch) - March 13, 2002, 01:59:28 PM EST

Keeping my example...and to illustrate other answer. - (bepatient) - (46) - March 12, 2002, 03:34:20 PM EST

Counter example. - (Brandioch) - March 12, 2002, 03:42:45 PM EST

You want to "discuss" this? - (mmoffitt) - (44) - March 13, 2002, 09:52:04 AM EST

applause - (Brandioch) - (7) - March 13, 2002, 12:53:28 PM EST

Real example - (ben_tilly) - (6) - March 13, 2002, 05:07:33 PM EST

Good example. - (Brandioch) - (5) - March 13, 2002, 05:59:11 PM EST

Well said. Concur completely. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 14, 2002, 08:50:00 AM EST

Do you have reading problems? - (ben_tilly) - (3) - March 14, 2002, 09:39:35 AM EST

No worse than your's. - (Brandioch) - (2) - March 14, 2002, 12:43:09 PM EST

One of us has more free time... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - March 15, 2002, 12:49:58 AM EST

Full circle. - (Brandioch) - March 15, 2002, 11:42:18 AM EST

How are you going to know about the problem? - (bepatient) - (35) - March 13, 2002, 01:44:27 PM EST

Again, an interesting world you live in. - (Brandioch) - (33) - March 13, 2002, 02:04:17 PM EST

Not much of a reader are you. - (bepatient) - (32) - March 13, 2002, 02:08:49 PM EST

You say "balance". - (Brandioch) - (31) - March 13, 2002, 02:19:18 PM EST

I'll try once. - (Ric Locke) - (30) - March 13, 2002, 10:27:46 PM EST

And what color is the sky in your world? - (mmoffitt) - March 14, 2002, 09:14:28 AM EST

Higher speeds cause more deaths. - (Brandioch) - (28) - March 14, 2002, 12:56:55 PM EST

And you have never seen... - (a6l6e6x) - (27) - March 14, 2002, 02:48:23 PM EST

The order of those events is the key. - (Brandioch) - (26) - March 14, 2002, 03:11:41 PM EST

Who do you think monitors the laws? - (bepatient) - (25) - March 14, 2002, 05:57:23 PM EST

The eco-freaks do. - (Brandioch) - (24) - March 14, 2002, 06:19:04 PM EST

Why do I think they do? - (bepatient) - (23) - March 14, 2002, 07:20:09 PM EST

You use that phrase, but I do not think you understand it. - (Brandioch) - (22) - March 14, 2002, 08:00:27 PM EST

You don't know what you're talking about. - (bepatient) - (21) - March 14, 2002, 08:45:42 PM EST

Ah, the old "I have secret wisdom and you don't" ploy. - (Brandioch) - (20) - March 14, 2002, 09:48:21 PM EST

Courtesy request - (ben_tilly) - March 14, 2002, 11:48:55 PM EST

Ah...I see. - (bepatient) - (18) - March 15, 2002, 08:20:52 AM EST

Ah, since I slammed your "secret wisdom of the ancients"... - (Brandioch) - (17) - March 15, 2002, 10:58:50 AM EST

Just applying your "logic" - (bepatient) - (16) - March 15, 2002, 11:09:42 AM EST

Another successful application of filtering. - (Brandioch) - (15) - March 15, 2002, 12:39:08 PM EST

I can see... - (bepatient) - (14) - March 15, 2002, 03:25:52 PM EST

I can see you're still filtering. - (Brandioch) - (13) - March 15, 2002, 03:55:04 PM EST

No. - (bepatient) - (12) - March 15, 2002, 04:36:45 PM EST

Strange...... - (Brandioch) - (6) - March 16, 2002, 08:30:22 PM EST

Nope. You can't read. -NT - (bepatient) - (5) - March 16, 2002, 08:53:07 PM EST

When pressed for actual facts..... - (Brandioch) - (4) - March 16, 2002, 09:26:19 PM EST

Sure...no sweat. - (bepatient) - (3) - March 16, 2002, 10:20:09 PM EST

Why so fact aversive? - (Brandioch) - (2) - March 17, 2002, 11:54:02 AM EST

this space left blank -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - March 17, 2002, 12:25:55 PM EST

Again, why are you afraid of the facts? - (Brandioch) - March 17, 2002, 02:33:01 PM EST

Clarification please. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - March 17, 2002, 06:34:53 PM EST

Technically not criminals. - (Brandioch) - (3) - March 17, 2002, 07:24:14 PM EST

That is indeed a fascinating notion. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 17, 2002, 07:38:38 PM EST

Perhaps competing companies are better at working a loop... - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - March 18, 2002, 12:50:51 AM EST

Possibly. - (Brandioch) - March 18, 2002, 09:46:51 PM EST

You changed your hypothesis. - (mmoffitt) - March 14, 2002, 08:58:27 AM EST

Hmmmm..... - (Brandioch) - March 11, 2002, 03:26:10 PM EST

Well..it does happen with ever administration... - (Simon_Jester) - March 11, 2002, 08:09:07 PM EST

Rant for rant... - (jb4) - March 12, 2002, 02:12:27 PM EST

Just ask JacksonLee - (boxley) - March 11, 2002, 03:22:06 PM EST

I say they should release the names... - (marlowe) - March 11, 2002, 02:44:02 PM EST

We all know that the President is but a mear puppet - (nking) - March 11, 2002, 05:23:34 PM EST

Moron who called moron a moron fired by moron.
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