Mozilla 0.9.9 is out.

...is freedom.

Opera 6 is a fine browser. OK, so I think the UI sucks ass and the layout is terrible, but at the end of the day it's standards-compliant (for any reasonably practical definition of the term) and quite fast.

It's also as Free as a not very Free thing.

It doesn't matter HOW good Opera is. It'll never be my primary (or even secondary) browser. Mozilla is Free.

If either IE or Opera was genuinely better than Moz, then I'd have empathy for the users of those browsers. As it is, neither is better - (Opera uses a really quite horrible QT interface on Linux, and IE doesn't run on Linux at all - if it doesn't run the same on Windows and Linux, then my interest is markedly diminished instantly). IE and Opera 6 are both markedly slower on both my work computer (1.7GHz P4) at work and my home computer (800MHz PIII).

I use Galeon for my workaday browsing but for some tasks that I do at work and home, I use Mozilla because I can have the exact same setup on each computer, irrespective of platform, and because it's Free.

Post #31,907 by Another Scott 3/12/02 6:20:50 PM Reply	Mozilla 0.9.9 is out. It's about a day old. I'm getting it now - the site's pretty slow though... [link\|http://www.mozilla.org\|Mozilla.org] Cheers, Scott.
Post #31,914 by pwhysall 3/12/02 7:03:33 PM Reply	It rocks. But then, did you expect anything else of the best bloody browser in the world? Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #31,916 by pwhysall 3/12/02 7:21:41 PM Reply	Fwooooooooooooooooooooooosh. That's the sound of my hair being blown back by the speed of the rendering engine. This thing now smokes everything out there, including Opera. On my 512K connection, webpages just snap right open, and they weren't slow before. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #31,917 by admin 3/12/02 7:29:03 PM Reply	I'll have to try it... 0.9.8 was buggy with some of my javascript and java code. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #31,975 by static 3/13/02 5:11:47 AM Reply	Speed isn't all there is. UI is important, too, as is compliance. BTW: I tried Opera's SDI mode the other day. The tab's are cute'n'all, but I still prefer the MDI mode. shrug Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #31,981 by pwhysall 3/13/02 8:08:52 AM Reply	And more important than that... ...is freedom. Opera 6 is a fine browser. OK, so I think the UI sucks ass and the layout is terrible, but at the end of the day it's standards-compliant (for any reasonably practical definition of the term) and quite fast. It's also as Free as a not very Free thing. It doesn't matter HOW good Opera is. It'll never be my primary (or even secondary) browser. Mozilla is Free. If either IE or Opera was genuinely better than Moz, then I'd have empathy for the users of those browsers. As it is, neither is better - (Opera uses a really quite horrible QT interface on Linux, and IE doesn't run on Linux at all - if it doesn't run the same on Windows and Linux, then my interest is markedly diminished instantly). IE and Opera 6 are both markedly slower on both my work computer (1.7GHz P4) at work and my home computer (800MHz PIII). I use Galeon for my workaday browsing but for some tasks that I do at work and home, I use Mozilla because I can have the exact same setup on each computer, irrespective of platform, and because it's Free. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #32,129 by static 3/14/02 6:39:56 AM Reply	You're right: I shouldn't have posted. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #32,247 by kmself 3/14/02 6:54:00 PM Reply	Dunno, seemed kinda glacial... ...tunneling X over ssh from polonius on a cross-the-pond link. w3m was pretty snappy though ;-) How's Galeon run with the new Moz engine? Debian/Testing won't update for at least ten days. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #32,251 by pwhysall 3/14/02 7:38:49 PM Reply	Galeon... ...is schweet with the new engine. No problems here at all. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #32,253 by tseliot 3/14/02 7:48:24 PM Reply	Thanks! Usin' it to post this reply. Fwwwoooooosh! --------------------------------- A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly by the chain of their own ideas;...despair and time eat away the bonds of iron and steel, but they are powerless against the habitual union of ideas, they can only tighten it still more; and on the soft fibres of the brain is founded the unshakable base of the soundest of Empires." Jacques Servan, 1767
Post #32,285 by Andrew Grygus 3/15/02 12:37:18 AM Reply	Using Warpzilla 0.9.9 . . . . with OS/2 fp-15. Looks real good so far. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #32,296 by Ashton 3/15/02 5:32:48 AM Reply	Damn.. finally get Latest & Greatest and____5 days later it's obsolete. Even before I grok Tabbed Browsing\ufffd to fullness. Why did I know this was a sugar-coated slippery slope :( And if I install .9.9 in another directory as suggested: will it look to (still existing) NS 4.5 to load up its little .ini files, as at first (?) OR - save the work put into .9.8 and seamlessly pick That one (??) Found the workaround for .9.8's forgetting how to Minimize itself; can live with schizophrenic cursor antics in a text box. Do I really want to trade .9.8 for .9.9 or wait for 1.0.0.0.b ?? Never mind, Lily T. ^h^h^h Ashton
Post #32,365 by wharris2 3/15/02 2:41:58 PM Reply	Install story I've installed .96, .97, .98 to different directories and it seems to pick up my bookmarks and everything from previous installations. Where each demon is slain, more hate is raised, yet hate unchecked also multiplies. - L. E. Modesitt
Post #32,423 by Ashton 3/15/02 11:21:50 PM 3/16/02 4:40:52 AM Reply	Thanks.. got it. So far it does seem faster. Oddly though as to organizing - it didn't give me an option for a new dir, but found a place for the .exe up one dir from where 9.8 resides (!?) And both still work. Maybe we aren't supposed to know everything; s'OK just so long as uninstall knows where to go. Kinda scary having the Latest stuff, though... Ashton Conservative Edited by Missing User 70 March 16, 2002, 04:40:52 AM EST Expand All History
Post #32,433 by wharris2 3/16/02 10:01:14 AM Reply	That's curious All the ones I've installed have given me the option of doing it to a new directory, though it usually defaults to the previous installation. If I remember, I'll start downloading it tonight before I go to bed and see if my .99 experience duplicates yours. Where each demon is slain, more hate is raised, yet hate unchecked also multiplies. - L. E. Modesitt
Post #32,444 by orion 3/16/02 3:23:36 PM Reply	Closer to 1.0, yes! Soon they will have the 1.0 release! Oh happy day when that comes out! I'm betting it will break IE speed records! :) *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #32,466 by a6l6e6x 3/16/02 7:55:42 PM Reply	Yes, but 0.9.10 is next. :) Alex "Never express yourself more clearly than you think." -- Neils Bohr (1885-1962)
Post #32,495 by Steve Lowe 3/17/02 3:46:27 AM Reply	Re: Yes, but 0.9.10 is next. :) Not according to the [link\|http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html\|roadmap]. Looks like 1.0 is slated for sometime in April :) ----- Steve
Post #32,520 by admin 3/17/02 5:08:16 PM Reply	They're not ready. There are still enough bugs that 1.0 should be further off than April. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #32,521 by a6l6e6x 3/17/02 5:18:05 PM Reply	Re: I did have a smiley. :) Alex "Never express yourself more clearly than you think." -- Neils Bohr (1885-1962)
Post #32,349 by Another Scott 3/15/02 1:07:56 PM Reply	Tis indeed quick! Even on this P-233 with 64 MB of RAM! :-)

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