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New Take a look at this table, and tell me it's the "same thing.
http://www.senate.go...clotureCounts.htm

Senate Action on Cloture Motions

Congress Years Motions Filed Votes on Cloture Cloture Invoked
111 2009-2010 64 36 32
110 2007-2008 139 112 61
109 2005-2006 68 54 34
108 2003-2004 62 49 12
107 2001-2002 72 61 34
106 1999-2000 71 58 28
105 1997-1998 69 53 18
104 1995-1996 82 50 9
103 1993-1994 80 46 14
102 1991-1992 59 47 22
101 1989-1990 37 24 11
100 1987-1988 53 43 12
99 1985-1986 40 23 10
98 1983-1984 41 19 11
97 1981-1982 31 30 10
96 1979-1980 30 20 11
95 1977-1978 23 13 3
94 1975-1976 39 27 17
93 1973-1974 44 31 9
92 1971-1972 23 20 4
91 1969-1970 7 6 0
90 1967-1968 6 6 1
89 1965-1966 7 7 1
88 1963-1964 4 3 1
87 1961-1962 4 4 1
86 1959-1960 1 1 0
85 1957-1958 0 0 0
84 1955-1956 0 0 0
83 1953-1954 1 1 0
82 1951-1952 0 0 0
81 1949-1950 2 2 0
80 1947-1948 0 0 0
79 1945-1946 6 4 0
78 1943-1944 1 1 0
77 1941-1942 1 1 0
76 1939-1940 0 0 0
75 1937-1938 2 2 0
74 1935-1936 0 0 0
73 1933-1934 0 0 0
72 1931-1932 2 1 0
71 1929-1930 1 0 0
70 1927-1928 1 0 0
69 1925-1926 7 7 3
68 1923-1924 0 0 0
67 1921-1922 1 1 0
66 1919-1920 2 2 1
Total 1183 865 370


The Republicans are using it a lot more than the Democrats ever did.

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Take a look at this table, and tell me it's the "same th
107 2001-2002 72 61 34

106 1999-2000 71 58 28
who had the senate?
New Let's see...
107 2001-2002 72 61 34
106 1999-2000 71 58 28


That's 35-36 motions filed per year around 10 years ago.

Now:
111 2009-2010 64 36 32
110 2007-2008 139 112 61


That's 64-70 a year now. (The 111th is not quite half over.)

Not quite the same, eh?

Cheers,
Scott.
New And what motions are we getting during that time
National Watermelon Month?...establishing the 7th of whatever to be Soda Free School Day?

I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Say what argument you're making, please.
New sure, republicans and democrats agree on
taking away our rights, military industrial society funding and no bid contracts to their stockholders.
If the republicans had tried to pass mandatory prayer in schools. Tossed out roe v wade and abolished the NEA commerce department and stopped food stamps for the leeches the dems would be filibustering like crazy.
The dems are promoting their hard agenda, that even members of their own party think is too far left and are taking massive payouts to pass them, no wonder the republicans are filibustering. Keep it up an they wont need to filibuster after the midterms
New Far Left?
Are you shitting me? I'll tell you what I'm coming to. Most of this fricking country is ready, nay eager, to don the brown shirts and march to the corporate sponsored tunes their government is ringing into our ears.

Fsck 'em. If that's what we've come to, we deserve what we get.
New Re: Far Left?
left of dodd nelson et al etc
New Dodd? Nelson?
Hell, why don't you just say "Left of Mussolini"?
New :-D
New ok left of mussolini
leaves you stalim and adolf (yes left, it was the national socialist democratic party)
thanx,
bill
New Nit.
http://en.wikipedia....ational_Socialism

The term most typically refers to Nazism, which was the ideology of the German Nazi Party (National Socialist German Workers' Party), which was led by Adolf Hitler.

As a generic concept, National Socialism opposes capitalism, communism, democratic socialism and liberalism.[1]


HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New wrong source, gotta watch that, here is the platform
sounds like the democrats to me as well as being left of mussolini :-)
http://www.hitler.or...itings/programme/
We demand therefore:

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

The breaking of the slavery of interest

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.
New I'm not going there - sorry.
How about EB?

http://www.britannic...ational-Socialism

National Socialism attempted to reconcile conservative, nationalist ideology with a socially radical doctrine. In so doing, it became a profoundly revolutionary movement—albeit a largely negative one. Rejecting rationalism, liberalism, democracy, the rule of law, human rights, and all movements of international cooperation and peace, it stressed instinct, the subordination of the individual to the state, and the necessity of blind and unswerving obedience to leaders appointed from above. It also emphasized the inequality of men and races and the right of the strong to rule the weak; sought to purge or suppress competing political, religious, and social institutions; advanced an ethic of hardness and ferocity; and partly destroyed class distinctions by drawing into the movement misfits and failures from all social classes. Although socialism was traditionally an internationalist creed, the radical wing of National Socialism knew that a mass base existed for policies that were simultaneously anticapitalist and nationalist. However, after Hitler secured power, this radical strain was eliminated.


Don't confuse an (apparent) campaign program with actual policies.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Party Platform vs the writings of the victors
mein kampf is full of socialist communist ideals and at the end of the day the reich was identical to stalins russia except for the race hate.
New You gotta watch your sources.
This is an often misconstrued part of Nazism. For those inclined to equate the far left (mensheviks, Troskyites and, arguably, bolsheviks) with the far right (nazis, corporate democrats, republicans, etc.:0) there is far too much emphasis placed on the fascists demand that people "surrender themselves to the State". This is often mis-guidedly equated to leftist socialism (not to be confused with Communism, which shares a lot more with Anarchism than it does with either Socialism or Fascism).

Communism is the ultimate "Power to The People" brigade, Democratic Federalism is "Communism Light" and the Plutocratic/Oligarchic/Nazist state is what we have now which eliminates the rights of the individual (except for those who are more equal than others - read board of directors members) that we have now.

My History Prof back at UNCC gave the best description ever of the differences between the far left and the far right. He said either group was capable of the very same atrocities as the other. However, "the Far Left is morally superior because the Leftist commits those atrocities because he is convinced that everyone will be better off for his efforts. The Far Rightist commits those same horrors because he is convinced that he will personally be better off."

I'm not nearly the Marxist I once was. But, at 50, I do believe this. Capitalism has its place. It is a wonderful incubator for original ideas that benefit the whole. However, once it matures, once a "company" becomes a corporation that employs more than 20, 30 or 50 people or so, it becomes an entity that stifles innovation. When we (the USA) were infants, the adage used to be "Build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to you door." But we matured beyond usefulness. If we were to re-write that adage today it would read something like, "Build a better mouse trap, but be sure you never worked for a mouse trap related company, one of its subsidiaries, nor one of its suppliers and then, if you don't have a non-compete agreement signed with your former employer, maybe you can sell your improved mouse trap. But, only if you have enough cash to fend off the giant mouse trap producers because they will sue you, a legitimate claim not being necessary, on the bet that you will run out of money for legal expenses before they do." That's where we are. And the fat cats own our government. We don't have enough money to put their toadies out of office and because we are a xenophobic group, we cannot find enough common ground to protest conditions with the numbers that would be required.

With apologies to Mr. Schultz, "We're Doomed."
New thanx, made my point better than I did
New box, yer head is so far up yer arse...
that it's sticking out from your collar. This level of ignorance does not occur spontaneously: it must needs come about of set purpose and after sustained effort. Almost better to have marlowe back in our little ecosystem to plug this niche of idiocy into which you've contrived to lodge yourself.
New Oh dear, rand was late for red beret march and picnic
it appears to have made im testy :-) like ash and others I takes my fun where I can find it
New As always, you mistake accuracy for fun-with-dumbth slogans.
     Fallows on the filibuster. - (Another Scott) - (25)
         Krugman on the filibuster; and Harkin's 1995 Amendment. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             60 days would be better - (boxley)
         Just noticing the obvious - (jay) - (22)
             Oh for cacks sake - (boxley) - (21)
                 Take a look at this table, and tell me it's the "same thing. - (Another Scott) - (19)
                     Re: Take a look at this table, and tell me it's the "same th - (boxley) - (18)
                         Let's see... - (Another Scott) - (17)
                             And what motions are we getting during that time - (beepster) - (16)
                                 Say what argument you're making, please. -NT - (Another Scott) - (15)
                                     sure, republicans and democrats agree on - (boxley) - (14)
                                         Far Left? - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                                             Re: Far Left? - (boxley) - (12)
                                                 Dodd? Nelson? - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                                                     :-D -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                     ok left of mussolini - (boxley) - (9)
                                                         Nit. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                             wrong source, gotta watch that, here is the platform - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                 I'm not going there - sorry. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                     Party Platform vs the writings of the victors - (boxley)
                                                         You gotta watch your sources. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                             thanx, made my point better than I did -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                 box, yer head is so far up yer arse... - (rcareaga) - (2)
                                                                     Oh dear, rand was late for red beret march and picnic - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                         As always, you mistake accuracy for fun-with-dumbth slogans. -NT - (Ashton)
                 There is a difference between opposition and obstruction - (jay)

Some have good ideas and some.. just have ideas.
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