Post #317,600
11/21/09 9:20:33 AM
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Time for a new TV.
I currently have a 1080p 42" LCD in the bedroom.
It is perfect for the space, but we have none in the living room (small space, apartment).
The living room could handle larger, but my budget cannot.
We have limited funds. My budget is under $1,000, preferably well under.
I have to get a new TV, either swapping the 42" into the living room space and the new one going in the bedroom, or the new one going straight to the living room.
I do not care about the sound aspect. I have a very nice Onkyo sound system.
We have a digital cable. I do not care about tuner, I'll never use it.
I saw a blurb for the Nvidia 3D glasses. I'd REALLY like to be able to get them some day. But in order for them to work, the TV has to run at 120HZ, which is very expensive.
Unless I go with a projector. Which I though were WAY out of my range, until I saw this:
ViewSonic PJD6221 2700 Lumens XGA DLP Projector
http://www.amazon.co...roduct/B002GU0QBK
But I can't find any reviews. It this under the too good to be true heading? Any comments for my type of usage?
I'll try to track a local dealer so I can see it in action.
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Post #317,601
11/21/09 9:35:45 AM
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1024x768
1080i/p HD is 1920×1080.
-scott
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #317,602
11/21/09 9:38:02 AM
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XGA is only 1024x768
It "supports" higher resolutions, but will not give you more pixels than native. I think 1080p is worth it (we have a 32" 32A550 Samsung in our bedroom - I see lots of places sell refurbished ones for < $600. It doesn't do 120Hz, though.).
If you go with a projector, check out the cost of the bulbs. They're usually not cheap. Consider the power requirements too - bulbs can get really hot.
B&H's cheapest 1080p projector is $1k. They have a Sanyo 120Hz 1080p projector for $2400. (I haven't looked at them in detail.)
I think if you want to minimize costs but want 120Hz you'll have to with an LCD. There are several 1080p 120Hz LED backlit sets for around $1k.
HTH a little. Good luck.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #317,665
11/23/09 7:59:16 AM
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Ok, so I don't trust the projector
since I can't see it before paying for it.
So I've accepted I'm simply looking for the best TV under 1K.
This looks interesting:
http://www.bestbuy.c...050&skuId=9290117
Samsung - 50" Class / 1080p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV -
Sale: $897.99
Any reason not to do plasma other than cost of power?
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Post #317,668
11/23/09 10:09:30 AM
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looks like a great price, wish I had $900
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Post #317,895
11/28/09 11:16:42 AM
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Bought it.
They don't put it on display, you have to ask for it.
They had 8 in the store, 4 were reserved, I payed for it.
I had to wait for my TL to get home, she has the van.
She wasn't ready for it. She thought I was getting a much
smaller one and moving the bedroom TV to the living
room. She was thinking 30" MAX. And then saw them wheel
this thing out. Once we got past the shock, she's warmed up
to it.
I knew it was the "low" end model for the size and technology.
No anti-glare on the tube, needs a dark room for me. On the
other hand, I ALWAYS watch TV in a dark room, so I don't care.
No motion smoothing or any of that fancy image processing. I've
been reading reviews for a while, have looked at a few in the store
and realize I don't care about that stuff. I don't watch sports,
as long as movies and blue-ray look good, I'm good.
Refresh rate is a confusing stat, at least when comparing
plasma VS LCD. The base rate that is talked about is 60 vs
120 hz, ie: How many images are drawn per second? This is
controlled both by the sending cable (how wide is the data pipe
or fast is the clock rate) and by the electronics of the TV, ie:
how fast can it really redraw that screen.
60 is the old norm, 120 is the new norm. You need 120 if
you are going to be using the TV with 3D shutter glasses.
This TV is 60hz, so no 3D for me.
On the other hand, LCD and plasma have a major difference in
how it presents the image. LCD is a shutter mechanism
that blocks the background light with various colors, or attempts
a total block. It can never do it all. The timing of turning
the blocking crystals affects the image, with fast moving stuff
sometime overwhelming the ability of the crystal changes to
block the light. The light is always on, consuming power.
Plasma does not work that way. Plasma is a grid of cells. Each
cell is able to produce levels of color when electricity is
applied. When electivity is off, no light is created which means
plasma TVs have true black (lack of light) where LCDs do not.
This shows up when you are able to see fine detail in a dark
scene since the contrast does not have to be artificially
high to pick up subtle differences.
A plasma screen refreshes 600 times a second, at the hardware
level. This gives a feeling of (I dunno, tough to describe)
(hmm) - anchoring, solidity. The picture is more of a window
into another room than presentation of some sort. Of course,
the darkness of the rest of the room helps, as does the the
50" screen.
Colors change or become dark very quickly as compared to LCD,
but if the source isn't up to speed, it doesn't matter.
I was a bit worried about pixelation of very fast colorful stuff.
Speed Racer via Comcast On-Demand would occasionally pixel storm.
Then I realized it was Comcast / cable box issue, I've got a
5 wire component cable for sound and video from that box, all
video processing would have to be done on it. I'll have to
look into my connectivity choices. The cable box does not
have HDMI but it does have a DVI out that should be able to
convert to HDMI. If that gives me a digital compressed signal,
then the CPU on the TV should to the processing rather than
the cable box, and I should see an improvement.
I then saw "The Transporter II" via on-demand. Crystal clear,
even the fastest scenes with many colors. I seems to recall
different channels use different compressions, and I can expect
variable movie quality. Fine, I'm good with it.
Burn in is something to watch for. I won't be using it as a
computer monitor, and I'll be paying attention to those channel
logos. It takes about 20 minutes of constant image to have
a slight ghosting effect that you can see as the TV turns off.
This is to be expected (according to the docs), and transient.
It would take about 20 hours to have a permanent effect.
Sound is "so-so" as expected. I'll hook up my Onkyo AV center
today.
I've been wanting a serous sized plasma display for years. I saw
an IBM orange/black plasma monitor in the days of early VGA,
and it blew me away. When I saw them faked out in the walls
of "Total Recall", it sealed the deal.
LCD displays are the 2nd ran of the techonology but they will own
the world when done, simply by being a universal low (or lower)
power techonology that is used in everything. It feels like
the VHS VS Beta war. VHS sucked compared to Beta, but you
couldn't get porn on Beta, so it doomed it for home use.
Oh well. I'm happy with what I got.
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Post #317,898
11/28/09 7:53:20 PM
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Thanks for the review. Best of luck with it!
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Post #317,920
11/29/09 12:31:24 PM
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Yeah.
That's very informative.
I wish there were a way to flag an article for future reference.
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Post #317,900
11/28/09 8:31:39 PM
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calibrate it
TVs are not calibrated well when they are sold. They're normally way to bright with the contrast cranked up to much. This is done because they don't know which set will be unboxed for display, and when you're viewing them side-by-side the brightest looks better (in part because of how bright most show rooms are). When the brightness and contrast are to high then artifacts from image compression become significantly more noticeable.
A quick fix is to check the "video menu" for a "movie preset". A better fix is to get a calibrate source like this:
http://www.amazon.co...ay/dp/B000V6LST0/
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Post #317,912
11/29/09 10:17:20 AM
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I'm aware
The simple home VS store setting is asked when you first turn on the set, which then defaults the various settings for the environment. So that's taken care off.
There are a few preset modes, such as "TV", "MOVIE", etc. They have an effect, but I haven't played enough to tell if I care either way.
The link to pointed at certainly looks interesting. I might pick it up.
There is a next level calibration that I can hire someone to come out for $200 and do it. I've heard testimonials but I really don't care. They have 2 TVs in the store as a comparison, and I agree the calibrated tv looks slightly better, but for all I know the non-calibrated TV could be set to shit for a good comparison.
In the old days, with 3 gun projectors, or various electromechanic focusing devices, I could easily see calibrating being a huge benefit.
But with LCD or plasma? Nah.
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Post #317,932
11/29/09 5:04:56 PM
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Notes on source material.
If your cable provider is anything like the one Down Unda (Foxtel), then most channels are going to be over-compressed with visible artifacts. This is the main reason I won't buy it.
(It seems to be most prevalent on the music video channels, and that looks like it might be starting to teach producers that such artifacts are acceptable: Pink's latest DVD has been on show at a local department store for a few weeks. It is obviously over-compressed and a poor demonstration of their TVs. They should go back to Pixar movies. But it's more worrying that the DVD's producer thought this was acceptable for a DVD release.)
And HDMI/DVI carries uncompressed digital video, not compressed.
Wade.
Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
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Post #317,952
11/30/09 4:27:39 AM
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Got it
The cable company told me to swap out the box (no charge) for the correct HDMI 1080-p connection.
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Post #317,980
11/30/09 5:47:47 PM
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I'm impressed.
Maybe cable companies are starting to realize just who is paying them all that money.
I remember when Foxtel first appeared here many years ago. The only box on offer gave you an RF output. Not even a composite connection. We had several salesmen over the years who my father and I would baffle because we had technical questions they couldn't answer. This was when DVD was just getting established and they were ignoring how people were upgrading their entertainment system to accomodate that. :-)
Modern boxes are much more versatile, of course. I hope you enjoy your video goodness.
Wade.
Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
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Post #317,981
11/30/09 6:58:05 PM
11/30/09 6:58:29 PM
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Comcast doesn't offer 1080p properly.
only 1080i and 720p HERE in GRR.
Edited by folkert
Nov. 30, 2009, 06:58:29 PM EST
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Post #317,679
11/23/09 11:14:15 AM
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Supposedly lesser life than...
other techs.
But I've not seen it in real life.
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Post #317,733
11/23/09 9:35:41 PM
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Heat (but that comes in with power). Weight.
Beep's got a plasma that he's sung the praises of.
http://www.crutchfie...eatures_and_specs
252 Watts (Crutchfield measurments), 420 Watts (Samsung), 84 pounds with stand.
Roughly comparable 52" Samsung 52B530 LCD:
http://www.crutchfie...eatures_and_specs
191 Watts (Crutchfield), 250 Watts (Samsung), 64 pounds with stand.
Burn-in might be an issue too, depending on what you watch. I think newer sets are better, though.
Plasma seems to be a technology that's on its way out since companies have apparently perfected making very large LCDs now. It may be a good time to buy.
HTH a little.
Good luck!
Cheers,
Scott.
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