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New Don't expect much interest on your savings for a while.
http://krugman.blogs...ven-more-wonkish/

Some back-of-the-envelope scribblings:

Let me start with a rounded version of the Rudebusch version of the Taylor rule:

Fed funds target = 2 + 1.5 x inflation - 2 x excess unemployment

where inflation is measured by the change in the core PCE deflator over the past four quarters (currently 1.6), and excess unemployment is the different between the CBO estimate of the NAIRU (currently 4.8) and the actual unemployment rate (currently 9.8).

Right now, this rule says that the Fed funds rate should be -5.6%. So we’re hard up against the zero bound.

Suppose that core inflation stays at 1.6% (although in fact it’s almost sure to go lower.) Then we can back out the unemployment rate at which the target would cross zero, suggesting that tightening should begin: it’s an excess unemployment rate of 2.2, implying an actual rate of 7 percent. That’s a long way from here. If inflation drops to, say, 1 percent, the Fed shouldn’t tighten until unemployment drops to 6.25%.

What would it take to get to that range of unemployment? Okun’s Law suggests that it takes 2 points of GDP growth in excess of potential to reduce unemployment by 1 point. Potential growth is probably around 2.5. So say we have 5 percent growth for the next 2 years — which would be hailed as a stunning boom. Even so, unemployment should fall only 2.5 points, to 7.3. In other words, even with a really strong recovery (which almost nobody expects), the Fed should keep rates on hold for at least two years.

Bear in mind that I’m using entirely standard, conventional analysis here. It’s the people saying that the Fed should start tightening in the near future who are inventing some kind of new, unspecified framework to justify their views.


It's scary when people at the Fed keep talking about raising rates when there's no sign of inflation. As Paul said earlier, it seems too few people remember the lessons of 1937 - http://krugman.blogs...the-dollar-hawks/

Cheers,
Scott.
New They removed all the safe guards...
OF COURSE they don't remember 1937.
New Trained to fix the wrong problem
The problem is that there are a lot of bankers and economists who have spent their entire careers fighting inflation. That is what they are trained to do, find the first signs of inflation and hit it hard by pushing up rates. Those people are looking at the money supply expanding and expecting it to force up inflation at some point.

And they are right if you take a very big eventually in there. But the economy has to really recover first, and we are a long way from that. Inflation isn't very likely to take off until the economy gets going and unemployment goes down.

There is also a smaller, but influential, group of investment types who are hurt by the expanding money supply. The low interest rates in the US and the expanding money is causing the dollar to drop sharply, and this hurts some types of investments. For them, trying to get the government back to a real strong dollar policy with higher rates is just a matter of profits.

There are two big risks the Fed has to take into account. The risk of inflation if they leave rates too low too long, and the risk of killing recovery by pushing rates up too fast. Given the state of the economy, the first is small and the second large. Thus I think the Fed should wait until they see some actual inflation before raising rates.

The other concern the Fed has to consider is that printing this much money is crashing the value of the dollar. If the dollar gets so low that international investors begin to pull out of the dollar on a significant scale it will get ugly. But overall a weak dollar helps the US right now, so they want it as low as they can get it safely. Despite any claims by the government or the Fed otherwise, they like a weak dollar right now.

Jay
New Dean Baker often addresses the weak dollar.
If I understand his view correctly, the weak dollar isn't a major concern now. E.g. http://www.prospect....ditorial_on_the_d

It is clear that NPR is unhappy with the deficit, calling it "unprecedented flood of red ink," which it compares to: "the previous record deficit was $459 billion and was set just last year." Serious reporters would have told listeners that the 2009 deficit was approximately equal to 10 percent of GDP. The previous post-World War II record was 6.0 percent of GDP in 1982. The actual records were more than 20 percent of GDP set during the war years.

The piece goes on to tell listeners: "the huge deficits have raised worries about the willingness of foreigners to keep purchasing Treasury debt." Yes, people worry about all sorts of things. Millions of people are worried that President Obama was not born in the United States. While some people no doubt have the worried that NPR notes, it might have been more informative to tell listeners that in spite of the large deficits, foreigners are willing to hold U.S. debt at historically low interest rates. This is very strong evidence that the foreigners are not worried.

It might also have been worth noting that if foreigners (notably China) stopped purchasing Treasury debt, then their currency would rise against the dollar. This would increase our exports to these countries and reduce our imports from them. In the case of China, this has been exactly the policy shift that both the Bush and Obama administration have been publicly demanding. It might have been worth providing readers with this information.


In other words, what determines the relative strength of the dollar is what it can buy compared to other currencies. A trade deficit has more impact on the value of the dollar than a budget deficit. Foreign capital that comes into the US to finance the budget deficit serves to keep the dollar stronger than it would otherwise be, or equivalently, keeps foreign currencies weaker than they would otherwise be. If the value of the Chinese Yuan increased, say, 50%, then China's export-fed growth would slow dramatically. They can't afford that, so they will continue to buy dollars for the foreseeable future.

As usual, things aren't as simple as they appear at first glance. The world economy is much more inter-connected than it was 25 years ago, so foreign governments can't simply decide to stop buying dollars. There are, of course, long-term costs in having foreigners finance our budget...

Cheers,
Scott.
New More at CalculatedRisk
http://www.calculate...-raise-rates.html

If we use Krugman's analysis, and the recent CBO projections for the average annual unemployment rate (10.2% in 2010, 9.1% in 2011, and 7.2% in 2012), the Fed would not raise rates until some time in 2012.


Also, see the graph in his earlier article - http://www.calculate...loyment-rate.html Based on that, it's hard to see the need to raise interest rates before 2012 - and that's assuming that unemployment comes down rapidly from its peak and that the peak is reached soon. Neither of those are guaranteed, IMO.

Cheers,
Scott.
New hmm, high unemployment keep printing money
as you print more money, the value of the dollar falls rinse recycle repeat no inflation to be seen.
how did that work out for weimar, mexico, zimbabwe, of course those examples arnt america, we are different. How?
New It's not so simple.
Most of the dollars the Treasury and the Fed have "printed" aren't in circulation - they're contributing to bank reserves to (try to) make them (appear) solvent. As such, they have zero impact on inflation.

PK from May - http://www.nytimes.c...on/29krugman.html

Is there a risk that we’ll have inflation after the economy recovers? That’s the claim of those who look at projections that federal debt may rise to more than 100 percent of G.D.P. and say that America will eventually have to inflate away that debt — that is, drive up prices so that the real value of the debt is reduced.

Such things have happened in the past. For example, France ultimately inflated away much of the debt it incurred while fighting World War I.

But more modern examples are lacking. Over the past two decades, Belgium, Canada and, of course, Japan have all gone through episodes when debt exceeded 100 percent of G.D.P. And the United States itself emerged from World War II with debt exceeding 120 percent of G.D.P. In none of these cases did governments resort to inflation to resolve their problems.

So is there any reason to think that inflation is coming? Some economists have argued for moderate inflation as a deliberate policy, as a way to encourage lending and reduce private debt burdens. I’m sympathetic to these arguments and made a similar case for Japan in the 1990s. But the case for inflation never made headway with Japanese policy makers then, and there’s no sign it’s getting traction with U.S. policy makers now.


Until there are signs in the general economy of sustained price rises, it's silly to be worried about hyperinflation. Prices in the US are still falling - the CPI for all items has fallen 1.5% in the year ending in August - http://www.bls.gov/n...lease/cpi.nr0.htm

There's a much greater risk of a double-dip recession than inflation. The US isn't out of the woods by any means.

Cheers,
Scott.
New CPI is crap, do you shop for your own groceries?
high and getting higher. Electric bill is up taxes are up even tho the apprasal is 30k lower
New It's an average. Like all averages, it has issues.
An article from the BLS addressing criticism of the CPI: http://www.bls.gov/o...8/08/art1full.pdf (17 page .PDF)

p.2
The all-items CPI is constructed from approximately 8,000 basic indexes, which correspond to 38 geographic areas and 211 item categories. Apples in Chicago and gasoline in San Francisco are examples of these basic CPIs. Since 1978, the BLS has published CPI series that reflect the inflation experiences of two different population groups. The CPI for all urban consumers (CPI-U) and the CPI for urban wage earners and clerical workers (CPI-W) differ only in the relative weights that are attached to the basic item-area index components. For example, the CPI-W has a somewhat higher weight for gasoline than does the CPI-U, because the population of urban wage earners and clerical workers allocates a higher share of its consumption to gasoline than do urban consumers as a whole.


p.11-12
Many consumers feel that their personal inflation experiences are not reflected in the movements of the CPI-U. These experiences can actually be borne out because some consumers spend more than others on items with rapidly increasing prices. The CPI-U is constructed from expenditures averaged over many consumers; as a consequence, some consumers will face a lower rate of inflation than that indicated by the CPI-U, and others will face a higher rate of inflation. For example, earlier it was noted that the wage earner and clerical worker families represented in the CPI-W allocate a higher-than-average share of their expenditures to gasoline. Partly for this reason, the CPI-W rose 4.3 percent over the 12 months ending March 2008, compared with 4.0 percent for the CPI-U. Further, BLS data from the CE show that low-income households spend a greater-than-average percentage of their expenditures on food at home and on gasoline and motor oil. By income quintile, from lowest to highest, 15.3 percent, 14.1 percent, 13.0 percent, 12.1 percent, and 9.2 percent of expenditures are devoted to food at home and to gasoline and motor oil.54 These statistics provide some evidence that the typical household in one of the lower income quintiles may be more adversely affected by current inflation than a typical household in one of the upper quintiles.55

Another reason for the potential difference between the CPI-U and a consumer’s experience of inflation is that the prices of many frequently purchased items, especially necessities such as food and gasoline, recently have been rising more rapidly than the CPI as a whole. Because the CPI is an average of the inflation rates of many different items, if some prices are growing more rapidly than the CPI, then other prices must be growing more slowly. In many cases, the most slowly rising prices are in the categories of consumer durable goods and apparel. In fact, the CPI for durables, which include such items as televisions and computers, fell slightly over the year ending March 2008, as did the index for apparel. Of course, by their nature, those items are purchased less frequently than food and energy items. For a family that had no immediate plans to purchase a new television or computer in March 2008, the price declines of those products over the previous 12 months probably would be less important than the 26.0-percent increase in the price of gasoline, the 48.4-percent rise in the price of fuel oil, the 14.7-percent price increase for bread, and the 13.3-percent price rise for milk. Similarly, although most families purchase apparel during any given year, in many weeks their purchases will be concentrated in food and fuel, and in those weeks they probably experienced price increases higher than the increases reported for the all-items CPI. Nevertheless, the BLS cannot exclude items from the CPI simply because they are purchased infrequently: all goods and services contribute to the CPI in proportion to consumer spending on them, as described earlier.


FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
     Don't expect much interest on your savings for a while. - (Another Scott) - (8)
         They removed all the safe guards... - (folkert)
         Trained to fix the wrong problem - (jay) - (1)
             Dean Baker often addresses the weak dollar. - (Another Scott)
         More at CalculatedRisk - (Another Scott) - (4)
             hmm, high unemployment keep printing money - (boxley) - (3)
                 It's not so simple. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     CPI is crap, do you shop for your own groceries? - (boxley) - (1)
                         It's an average. Like all averages, it has issues. - (Another Scott)

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