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New Savage savages savaging something-or-other.
Ahhhh, you see, Marlowe is trying to do what he tried to do before.

Being a savage fighter (savage used as an adjective to the noun "fighter") does NOT make you a "savage" (used as a noun) or even "uncivilized" (used as an adjective).

To put it in other terms, someone who is civilized (lives in a town, farms & raises food animals) can be a viscious (savage) fighter when threatened. This does not make him a "savage".

savage (noun)
savage (verb)
savage (adjective)
savagely (adverb)

Semantics.

A savage can fight savagely.
A civilized man can fight savagely.

What Marlowe is attempting to do is to "prove" that they were savage fighters (they were)......
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So they were savages.
And uncivilized (despite having towns hundreds of years before the white man landed).

They were a different culture (actually, many different cultures).

Now, since we defeated them, that proves we are superior.

Just as cancer cells will destroy other cells and "prove" they are "superior".

Being able to destroy someone else only proves that they were weaker than you. Not that you are morally superior or culturally superior or intellectually superior or anything else. Just that they were weaker than you.

A simple test of this is to go down to your local biker bar and spit on the biggest, toughest, meanest, DUMBEST biker you can find. Preferably one who has low marals and lacks cultural refinement.

Then claim that you will defeat him because of your superior moral structure or culture.
New I guess this would explain then, how it is that
a fantasy Disneyland culture, populated by non-voting (thus non-citizen) herds of shopping sheep, possessed of sanctimonious slogans and self-Righteousness, trusting Only in The $$ [Oh.. and er "Winning"] and dedicated 24/7 to its accumulation:

can defeat the civilizations of the world. And Feel Good about Themselves, to boot. While finding God (..in their Maidenform bra*).

??

OK - that would explain it. But not make it go away :(
(You're no help! ;-)




* sorry.. that ad was a bit before everyone's time, here.
~ it was, I dreamt I went shopping in my Maidenform bra..
{sigh}
New OT Re: Maidenform bra
Well, for what it's worth, I remember I dreamt I went shopping in my Maidenform bra. Did they also say Don't be flat, be Natural or was that someone else?
Alex

"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of
thought which they avoid." -- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
New Historic anonymous
God grant me the serenity to change the words I cannot accept...

I'm glad we had this discussion though... I found a useful analogy for teaching my 2 year old son. Just like an alcoholic, a nation can go into a state of denial and create a national history just like an alcoholic's personal history. Any history that is too painful or embarassing to remember, simply find a justification for drinking to shift blame because you don't want to face it. NO, WAIT! Alcoholics must make ammends by acknowledging those they have wronged...

Okay, so the analogy breaks down. :-)
What do you think about [link|http://www.geocities.com/webatlantis/|the other dodged question...]?
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer

"I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution, smile and grin at the change all around, pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday..."

P. Townshend

"Nietzsche has an S in it"
Celina Jones
     Your lack of reading comprehension doesn't make you smarter - (marlowe) - (22)
         This is fucking surreal. - (CRConrad) - (4)
             Yup - (broomberg) - (3)
                 Heh.. I'll reply/explain once it's in the correct forum! :-) -NT - (CRConrad)
                 ROFL...good one Barry -NT - (bepatient)
                 Sentient LRPDism... - (static)
         What about the Civil War? - (nking) - (2)
             Southerners would see that differently. - (marlowe) - (1)
                 Yes sir, - (nking)
         How gracious of you - (ben_tilly) - (3)
             How facile of you. - (marlowe) - (2)
                 Actually... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                     Ben, you misread from the beginning. - (marlowe)
         Whining doesnt make you comely - (boxley) - (2)
             And all I'm pointing out is... - (marlowe) - (1)
                 Marlowe is a facist wife beater :) - (boxley)
         Forgive me for fueling your troll fire... - (screamer) - (4)
             Savage savages savaging something-or-other. - (Brandioch) - (3)
                 I guess this would explain then, how it is that - (Ashton) - (1)
                     OT Re: Maidenform bra - (a6l6e6x)
                 Historic anonymous - (screamer)
         LRPD: " Disputants more fiendish than the Great Hyperlobic - (Ashton) - (1)
             OIC...LMAO... - (screamer)

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