How gracious of you

Post #31,327 by ben_tilly 3/8/02 8:29:48 AM Reply	How gracious of you Thank you for giving us this insight on how you view the world. I really can't think of anything else anyone could have done to more effectively confirm the various opinions that various people already have of each other. Cheers, Ben "... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything." --Richard Feynman
Post #31,339 by marlowe 3/8/02 9:17:09 AM Reply	How facile of you. I've pointed out exactly how and where you went off the deep end, and this is your reply? See, this is why self respecting people reject your burden of proof. We know no amount of evidence will change your mind. You don't want to be convinced. You want to defend your own self righteousness. You can defend your own self righteousness all you want, but not on my dime. Political correctness doesn't make you superior. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes. If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
Post #31,364 by ben_tilly 3/8/02 11:20:16 AM Reply	Actually... You pointed to a bunch of posts of yours and claimed that they showed various things. Those assertions do not appear to match reality AFAICT. It would be like my saying that posts like [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=31089\|this] demonstrates that you need to work on your reasoning ability. It is a post and may or may not show anything. And the fact that I say what I want people to think it means doesn't mean much at all. In any case you have given your view of the affair. Here is mine. Anyone who wants can review the posts in question and make their own mind up about the affair. This started when I decided to call you on a random assertion that you made. You make a lot of these assertions, generally without much supporting evidence, and frequently I think they are wrong. So I pointed one out. You responded and in your response changed the subject slightly and made more such assertions. That was OK by me because now I had more wrong assertions to work with. So I pointed them out. After a few iterations we progressed over a fair range of topics, with various interjections from others. In general I was willing to let the conversation move pretty far. You kept on throwing up more wrong assertions for me to work with, and I kept on pointing them out. There was but one significant exception. You tried to paint me as arguing for an ethical postiion I had not asserted. I didn't want to wander into a discussion of ethics for the simple reason that there is a strong subjective element in how people interpret ethical decisions, so disagreements there are often hard to reduce to factual errors. So instead of moving to a subjective topic, I pointed out your factual error. All in all it was actually quite fun. We wound up covering a fairly good range of historical topics, and in looking up things I ran into some interesting things. (For instance I liked the letter about George Washington's views on how relations with the Indians should be conducted.) However it now appears that you have fallen back on your standard defence mechanism of a self-referential circle of assertions which frees you (in your own mind at least) of any obligation to justify any assertion, ever. Therefore I am leaving this discussion in this forum as I left it in the Terrorism forum. It is not worth my time to continue confirming people's opinions of you, and I am not going to bother. You have, once again, outlasted my interest level. Enjoy beating your chest about it as much as you want. Cheers, Ben "... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything." --Richard Feynman
Post #31,376 by marlowe 3/8/02 1:06:14 PM Reply	Ben, you misread from the beginning. Not just that first assertion. Most of the others, too. It's been demonstrated exactly how you misread the first one. That's the start of this thread, in case you've already lost track. If you won't acknowledge that, after it's been put right in your face, there's no point in going into the others. You screwed up. We all do. No biggie. But then you went off the deep end. And now you're refusing to face the fact that you've screwed up when it's pointed out to you in precise detail. That's just plain childish. I'm going to respond to you henceforth in a different manner. From now on I will rarely respond directly. You'll just distort everything and try to drag us both down your rabbit hole again. Instead, I'll respond indirectly, by addressing various root fallacies, including those which you happen to commit. I will address these fallacies either on this site, or else will post here and link to said comments. I will do so not all at once, and at times of my choosing, in formats of my choosing. It will be simply another part of my ongoing campaign to expose the fallacies and falsehoods of both squishy and hard left. I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of making it purely personal. You're just one of many to me now. I doubt you've had an original thought in years. Maybe never. You're so caught up in racial politics and collective grievance, I wonder if you even understand what it is to think and act as an individual. Individual isn't as individual doesn't. So I'll just deal with what you represent on a wholesale basis. It's more effcient. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes. If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.

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