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New Heh.. LRPDism below: "the natural enemy of the tight-rope
walker is the bee."

Now as to, Also, note that if this loop itself can be percieved and acted upon (self awareness), mathematical chaos ensues.

Care to expand? (Unclear here, what are the depths of your depravity ;-)



Ashton
circular logic makes the world go 'round
New Ok...
Once the cybernetic loop can percieve itself, 'itself' becomes input for the cybernetic loop.

If you think of this as an iterative mathematic function, you can see how [link|http://hypertextbook.com/chaos/|chaos] enters the picture.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait

  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
New Ah.. 'the loop' It er 'self'..
Thought perhaps you were exrapolating math to homo-saps doing a complete inventory and finding [their own loopiness?]

(Actually, those who claim to have finished the inventory - always seem quite peaceful and unchaotic)


A.
New *grin*
Actually, those who claim to have finished the inventory - always seem quite peaceful and unchaotic

Nah - they just found thier boundary conditions...

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait

  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
New Self awareness ain't all that much
The inclusion of a self symbol in a system isn't that big of a deal. It may be neccessary, but certainly isn't sufficient, for enlightenment.

The level of sophistication needed for self awareness, compared to that needed to attain that peaceful unchaotic state, is like comparing the functioning of a coma patient with that of a serious athlete.

White guys in suits know best
- Pat McCurdy
New Just a matter of degree
(Actually, those who claim to have finished the inventory - always seem quite peaceful and unchaotic)
The level of sophistication needed for self awareness, compared to that needed to attain that peaceful unchaotic state, is like comparing the functioning of a coma patient with that of a serious athlete.

*grin* So the coma patient has less to inventory...

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait

  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
New Mayhap - but then he can't count either, so..
     Forces of the Universe - (orion) - (11)
         ...Untie! - (imric) - (7)
             Heh.. LRPDism below: "the natural enemy of the tight-rope - (Ashton) - (6)
                 Ok... - (imric) - (5)
                     Ah.. 'the loop' It er 'self'.. - (Ashton) - (4)
                         *grin* - (imric)
                         Self awareness ain't all that much - (mhuber) - (2)
                             Just a matter of degree - (imric) - (1)
                                 Mayhap - but then he can't count either, so.. -NT - (Ashton)
         You forgot 3 - (tablizer)
         Not mind. Ignorance, maybe. - (mhuber) - (1)
             "As above so below" - (Ashton)

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