how about gore/bush ?

Post #31,185 by boxley 3/7/02 11:07:59 AM Reply	how about gore/bush ? There is no difference between a "settler," "soldier," "secular," or "Chassidic Jew." The target is the JEW. \ufffd Harvey Tannenbaum
Post #31,205 by drewk 3/7/02 12:20:12 PM Reply	Been trying to figure that out I was assuming there would be two likely leaders, but that's only because that's how it usually is with the current system. What happens when three candidates each get ~30%? Hmm, this seems like a good system for breaking a two-way tie, but not so much for three or more nearly equal candidates. I guess you could run scenerios all day and come up with lots of permutations, but this system would immediately give third party candidates a better shot. I would love to be in the position of having to figure out the best way to choose amough three or more good candidates. I can't be a Democrat because I like to spend the money I make. I can't be a Republican because I like to spend the money I make on drugs and whores.
Post #31,210 by Silverlock 3/7/02 12:42:58 PM Reply	First choice, second choice. I think it goes like this; 1. You pick your first and second choice for the office. 2. No one gets a majority. 3. Eliminate the candidate with the least votes from the pool. 4. If your first choice is still among the candidates, that's who you vote for, if not then the second choice gets your vote. 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until one candidate has a clear majority of votes. With this much manure around, there must be a pony somewhere.
Post #31,211 by drewk 3/7/02 12:44:36 PM Reply	Ahh, got it Now try to explain recursion to the Floridians who punched the ballot multiple times. I can't be a Democrat because I like to spend the money I make. I can't be a Republican because I like to spend the money I make on drugs and whores.
Post #31,216 by ben_tilly 3/7/02 12:52:01 PM Reply	No need People don't need to understand the mechanism of how the voting works. It is sufficient for them to just understand, It is a little complicated, but your first vote is for the guy you want, and your second for the guy you'll live with. Kinda like it is today, except that now there is no point in trying to vote for the guy you want. (Which is how politicians nobody really wanted manage to stay in power.) Cheers, Ben "... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything." --Richard Feynman
Post #31,217 by Silverlock 3/7/02 12:53:07 PM Reply	Good point It needs to be made simple. Punch cards won't do it I'm thinking. Well maybe. You'd have to have all candidates listed twice. One set for first choice and another for second. If they pick the same candidate for both first and second, doesn't matter. In effect, they will have opted not have a second choice. Some actual testing of ballot designs with a representative sample of voters to insure the crap is understood needs to be done. Try out multiple designs until something is found with an obviously effective design. With this much manure around, there must be a pony somewhere.
Post #31,212 by ben_tilly 3/7/02 12:46:13 PM Reply	There is a simple resolution Stop thinking of it as a race to 50%. Instant runoff is really progressive elimination down to one person. Run round 1. Drop the person with the fewest votes. Anyone who voted for that person drops to their second choice. Run round 2. Drop the person with the fewest votes. Anyone who voted for that person drops to their second choice, or out of the voting pool. Run round 3, etc. In practice people just stop when someone has over half the votes remaining in the pool, because you are guaranteed who will be the last standing. There is no perfect voting mechanism. Yes, there are scenarios where it produces no good answer. But it works a heck of a lot better than what we use. Cheers, Ben "... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything." --Richard Feynman

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