Doesn't matter how old

Post #309,995 by SpiceWare 6/22/09 2:33:49 PM Reply	Doesn't matter how old it's an inconvenient truth about Gore.
Post #309,997 by lincoln 6/22/09 2:43:11 PM Reply	So it doesn't matter - The difference in weatherproofing between the houses? - The difference in square footage between the houses? - The difference in geographic location of each house, which is a large factor in annual utility bills? - The difference in landscaping to minimize the effects of wind and sun on the interiors of each house (trees to provide shade, trees to provide windbreaks, etc. I don't know what either house has in the way of protective landscaping.) "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #309,998 by boxley 6/22/09 2:49:57 PM Reply	difference in the owners real thoughts on the matter?
Post #310,001 by SpiceWare 6/22/09 3:12:49 PM Reply	nope Gore's the one telling everyone they need to cut back, while his energy usage in one month is what the typical Nashville home uses in a year. (check the Snopes link that boxley provided). In the case of being green, Gore is "do as I say, not as I do" while Bush is leading by example.
Post #310,003 by drook 6/22/09 3:57:05 PM Reply	Aww crap, didn't want to get into this one But you just said exactly the right thing to get me to jump in. The only place Bush has ever been "leading" energy policy was in the direction that the energy companies wanted him to. Has he spoken out about reducing personal energy usage? Has he supported tax breaks for efficiency upgrades? Has he advocated equivalent efficiency upgrades (similar to his house) for industry? If not then he's not really "leading" anyway. He's following. This sounds like one of two things happening. Either: Bush knows that the long-term cost of an energy efficient home is really lower than the alternative, but didn't care to enact legislation to help less-wealthy people achieve the same gains for themselves. Or: Bush knows (or listens to someone who knows) that building a house like this provides a convenient talking point for Republicans who want to oppose environmentalism. -- Drew
Post #310,004 by SpiceWare 6/22/09 4:25:26 PM Reply	Says as much in the Snopes article The features are environment-friendly, but the reason for them was practical — to save money and to save water, which is scarce in this dry, hot part of Texas. As such, we know what Bush's motives are. In the case of Gore and his preaching, but not practicing, it's most likely financially motivated as well GIM also owns a 10% stake in the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), CCX in turn owns half of European Climate Exchange.This gives Al Gore a financial bias towards promoting global warming control trough the issuing of carbon credits http://en.wikipedia....stment_Management
Post #310,007 by drook 6/22/09 5:54:20 PM Reply	True, but ... Like I said, if the outcome was a net cost savings, why wasn't he "leading" on the issue when he had the opportunity? -- Drew
Post #310,014 by SpiceWare 6/22/09 7:04:07 PM Reply	the issue for him is saving money being green about some things is just a nice side benefit.
Post #310,030 by boxley 6/23/09 8:13:46 AM Reply	maybe you missed a few things http://www.pbs.org/n...nscripts/070129c/ pbs is sometimes reputable :-)
Post #310,008 by malraux 6/22/09 6:22:50 PM Reply	Not that this makes a huge difference, but... Also note that the Gores buy a large portion of their energy from "green" sources, which makes it more expensive than regular energy. The article was comparing energy cost, not energy usage. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #310,012 by SpiceWare 6/22/09 6:55:17 PM Reply	while the email mentions money the Snopes research looks at usage - Gore's 10,000 square foot Belle Meade residence consumes electricity at a rate of about 12 times the average for a typical house in Nashville (191,000 kwh versus 15,600 kwh)
Post #310,011 by lincoln 6/22/09 6:54:13 PM Reply	Re: nope And you're well aware that his home is 4 or 5 times larger than the average Nashville home, because it includes home offices for himself and his wife, not to mention an office for the Secret Service. How about bringing up the energy usage and/or cost for H. W. Bush's mansion on Houston, or the house Dubya just bought in an exclusive section of Dallas... "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #310,013 by SpiceWare 6/22/09 7:03:05 PM Reply	I work from home My house isn't twice as large as the average in Houston. How about bringing up the energy usage and/or cost for H. W. Bush's mansion on Houston, or the house Dubya just bought in an exclusive section of Dallas... why? Are they telling everybody to cut back or buy carbon offsets via companies they own?

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