Bankruptcy law has been very straight forward for a long time. Secured creditors get paid before unsecured. Its the fucking Obama preppie squad that is trying to bypass the law, not the lien holders
Yeah I guess the propaganda crap really works :-(
WTF you mean bypass the law
Bankruptcy law has been very straight forward for a long time. Secured creditors get paid before unsecured. Its the fucking Obama preppie squad that is trying to bypass the law, not the lien holders
Yeah I guess the propaganda crap really works :-( |
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The law is hardly ever simple.
If it were simple, we wouldn't need lawyers.
http://www.thetrutha...le-kill-the-sale/ [...] Arguments can be made on both sides - it's not simple. See the comments, too. FWIW. Cheers, Scott. |
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you are looking at 11 I am refering to 7
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Either way, the secured bondholders wouldn't get 65%
In April there was a TTAC discussion on this. http://www.thetrutha...top-making-sense/
1) The "secured" bondholders weren't going to get 65 cents on the dollar if Chrysler went Chapter 7. There's a glut of car manufacturing capacity in the US, and who would want Chrysler's factories, brands, and office buildings in Michigan now? Consider this BW story from 2007 - http://www.businessw...7_10/b4024056.htm - before Daimler spun it off. Private equity firms see substantial breakup value in Chrysler alone. The Jeep brand plus its factories could bring $5 billion to $7 billion. At least a few of Chrysler's plants would be of interest to Hyundai Motor, Chinese automakers, Renault-Nissan, India's Tata Motors, and possibly Volkswagen. DaimlerChrysler Financial Services, almost a forgotten asset, earned about $2 billion last year. The wild card? A private buyer would have to negotiate UAW worker buyouts and figure out who pays for it. That was when the economy was still growing. All of those manufacturers, perhaps excluding the Chinese, are hurting. Jeep sales were down 49% in January compared to a year earlier - http://jeepworld.wor...-2009-are-brutal/ Chrysler is worth almost nothing in this environment. Recall that FIAT has proposed to pay $0 for its proposed merger/buyout, and that's with Uncle Sam and others putting in a bunch of money. The only potential way to get any value out of Chrysler is to give it some breathing room and dramatically restructure it. 2) If Chrysler goes under in an uncontrolled way, GM will be hurt even more, as will Ford and other comparably healthy US manufacturers because they have many of the same suppliers. Letting them simply go belly up isn't on the table. They may never exist as a US manufacturer again, but at least the disassembly will be a controlled process with more interests being considered than just a fire-sale to satisfy a few of the bond holders. Bankruptcy judges do this kind of stuff all the time. If Obama's proposal is so onerous then the courts will slap the proposal down. FWIW. Cheers, Scott. |
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I thinmk you are confused slightly
Bankruptcy judges do this kind of stuff all the time. If Obama's proposal is so onerous then the courts will slap the proposal down.Obama's proposal is to keep it out of the judges hands, that why all the threats to make the parties accept it |
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Maybe. Maybe not.
Pch101 and CamaroKid's takes are similar to my own:
http://www.thetrutha...l#comment-1481315 HTH. Cheers, Scott. |
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thats gotta be an lrpd
Pch101 and CamaroKid's takes are similar to my own:
well porchmonkey and roach disagree http://www.economist...story_id=13610871 The investors in these firms are easily portrayed as vultures, but many are entrusted with the savings of ordinary people, and in any case all have a legal claim that entitles them to due process. In a crisis it is easy to put politics first, but if lenders fear their rights will be abused, other firms will find it more expensive to borrow, especially if they have unionised workforces that are seen to be friendly with the government. |
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Recall that only a few bondholders were holdouts.
http://dealbook.blog...rtner=rss&emc=rss
What began last Thursday as a collection of about 20 investment firms holding a combined $1 billion in debt has dwindled to a set of five, holding a total of about $295 million. (The group apparently lost a member, since in a filing on Tuesday, it reported holding about $300 million.) Those who are complaining about "Obama gutting the Constitution" and using similar hyperbole on this issue need to start using some qualifiers. Only a handful are still holding out. The vast majority have accepted that they won't be first in line to pick Chrysler's carcass. But, again, a judge is going to rule on this. It's not going to be imposed by Obama's fiat, so to speak. ;-) We'll see how it turns out. Cheers, Scott. |
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whats left are the folks who did cave to the threats
"by the crazy president" remember?
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Off-the-record paraphrases of their impressions.
Show me some on-the-record quotes, not spin, and then we'll talk.
Really... Cheers, Scott. |
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sure, they just made it all up, bad repos
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It doesn't sound a little over the top to you?
Another characterized Obama was "the most dangerous smooth talker on the planet- and I knew Kissinger." Really? I'm supposed to take that as being indicative of what really happened? Give me a break... Cheers, Scott. |
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and from an Obama supporter to boot
so you dont think he is as smart or a smooth as kissinger?
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Legal manuvering
Before they landed in bankruptcy court the sides where free to negotiate what ever they wanted. When the matter landed in Bankruptcy court, Chrysler tried it's pre-filing negotiating position as an opening court position. If the bankruptcy court forces something on Chrysler, it is sure to not follow this suggested deal. Both sides know that well, it probably isn't even legal as court ordered settlement.
The creditors are still breaking down and accepting the deal. Basically, Obama is refusing to roll over and give the creditors more then they could get for liquidation. Think of Chrysler as a guy who owes $500 and has $100 in assets. In a straight liquidation, the assets are sold the creditors get $1 for every $5 they are owed. What is happening here is that the government doesn't want to see they guy get liquidated, so the government is offering the creditors $100 and offering the guy a new $200 loan to get back on his feet. What the creditors are saying is, "Hey, there is $200 there we should be getting." The governments reply is "Fine, we cancel the loan offer, and we are going to tell everybody you ruined this guy." Jay |