Well, I did it.

Post #306,200 by Andrew Grygus 3/25/09 10:41:01 PM Reply	Well, I did it. Placed an order for a Canon G10. More than I wanted to pay (actually I didn't want to buy another camera at all at any price) but it had some convenient features compared to the Cannon SX10 that spec'd almost identically to the Nikon P80 - and 20x zoom is just not something I need. Of course the real selling point was the degree to which the reds looked different from the P80 in the same test photos. I still find it hard to believe that Nikon destroyed the usefulness of an otherwise excellent camera with such a stupid, inexcusable flaw as not being able to show red as red. Well, the P80 will serve fine as my field and party camera. For macro photography the G10 can't focus as close as the SX10, but it should serve well enough. Closest focus for the G10 is 1cm vs the SX10 at "front surface of lens". Don't think I need to go that close.
Post #306,202 by Another Scott 3/25/09 11:04:33 PM Reply	:-) I hope it works well for you.
Post #306,203 by Andrew Grygus 3/25/09 11:10:10 PM Reply	It'd freak'n better. I DO NOT want to plunk down for an DSLR money pit.
Post #306,205 by folkert 3/25/09 11:25:29 PM Reply	Get a used one... be careful but you can do well with "last generation" as long as they use interchangeable lenses you'll protect your investment.
Post #306,215 by static 3/26/09 7:47:34 AM Reply	Nikon D70 is highly regarded. "Ah -- I take it the doorbell doesn't work?"
Post #306,237 by Andrew Grygus 3/26/09 12:59:33 PM Reply	Well, if I went that way . . . . . I'd need to look a Canon first. It occurred to me this morning that I'd rescued a Cannon AE-1 acamera body nd a bunch of (seemingly unused) lenses among my brothers junk. If the lenses fit a digital body it'd be something to think about.
Post #306,239 by drook 3/26/09 1:26:19 PM Reply	I would say keep the body and get a digital back But a quick google shows nobody seems to be making one for the AE-1, since it's about 25 years old and discontinued. -- Drew
Post #306,242 by Steve Lowe 3/26/09 2:35:46 PM Reply	just need an adapter http://www.adorama.c...D+to+EF+convertor AE1 uses the FD mount, where the newer/current Canon models use the EF mount.
Post #306,262 by Andrew Grygus 3/26/09 10:00:32 PM Reply	Well, I've read up on the adapters and . . . . . you just lose too many features, picture quality, infinity focus and other stuff - just not worthwhile. Fortunately I don't really need an SLR (provided this G10 works out as well as every reviewer says it will) so I'll just abandon that idea.
Post #306,251 by static 3/26/09 7:00:04 PM Reply	Well, yes, it does depend on what you already have. :-) I had a D70 for a while until my ex-wife stole it, and recently organised a second-hand one for my father. But we're slightly Nikon wonks; he has a 35yr old Nikkorex, I have an F60 and we both have a few extra lenses. So a D70 was obvious. But if you have a Canon system, then there are Canon DSLRs which are just as good. I just don't know which as I never looked at Canon systems. :-) Canon does have the (slight) disadvantage that they've changed their lens mounts over the years, whilst Nikon have largely only ever extended their's. But converters can be found and lenses can be modified. Wade. "Ah -- I take it the doorbell doesn't work?"
Post #306,254 by Ashton 3/26/09 7:44:44 PM Reply	Have an AL-1 Said to have the most accurate rangefinder/auto-focus complex ever, when introduced. It was that one -- which was my experience of the CIEIOs of Canon. Already told that story; will henceforth remain biased that.. the Suits at Canon are/were? a Different breed. Fine camera re the rest of the specs, subsequently Googled. Can't fault your pickiness though re the Nikon -- {sheesh} if you can't even readily read Red.. Rediculous! Cameras though ... heroin for any techno afflicted. Few have actual Reasons (as with Red) -- marketing feeds the, Got to 'Have' Every Accessory alligator. (Whether or not I'll ever Use that 1000 mm Maksutov catadioptric mirror reflex more than thrice/decade) So many cameras.. so few Adamses, Steichens and ... only One WIlliam Frieze-Green at the beginning. Stay chilly.
Post #306,289 by a6l6e6x 3/27/09 12:17:33 PM Reply	Oh, yeh? Have an FTb! :) Not used in many many yeas. Alex
Post #306,381 by Ashton 3/29/09 4:16:45 AM Reply	Missed my Minox-III; now everyone's got a spy camera ...
Post #306,330 by Andrew Grygus 3/27/09 9:57:08 PM Reply	Well, so far so good. Real reds, lots of good features, excellent picture quality, much cleaner macros than even the Nicon, excellent controls - all and all a winner. Of course the harshest test will be to slice open a squash and see if the orange flesh is orange or yellow in the photos. If it's orange - well, that's something no other camera I've had has gotten close to. The G10 is terrible at detecting incandescent light and automatically correcting - but so are they all. The old Kodak was much better at that than it's three successors. A preset for incandescent fixes that problem, of course.
Post #306,331 by Andrew Grygus 3/28/09 12:54:14 AM Reply	Yup, that's exactly what I was afraid of. Images from this camera are so superior in color and clarity certain classes of photos will have to be redone.
Post #306,334 by Another Scott 3/28/09 8:08:25 AM Reply	That's a good problem to have. You could apply a mild blur to the new images until you're ready to make a wholesale change, I suppose. Cheers, Scott.
Post #306,351 by Andrew Grygus 3/28/09 11:42:04 AM Reply	Nothing urgent about it . . . . . it's just that more of the older pictures will annoy me until I replace them. There were plenty from the old Kodak cameras that were already annoying me. And that's the reason I wouldn't consider a used camera - every generation seems so much better than the previous in details that are important to me. Actually, the Nikon was pretty good and I could certainly have lived with it if it weren't for the red problem but the Canon is better. Places where the Canon really shines (other than being able to do red) is in macros and really difficult colors. Much more realistic. The Nikon has already had all its presets reset to party mode, and it'll get its first workout in its new job tonight.
Post #306,390 by Andrew Grygus 3/29/09 4:28:15 PM Reply	For color accuracy . . . . . the G10 leaves all the others in the dust. Making minor color adjustments is easy where with all its predecessors if you got one color just right others would go off in strange ways. With the others, uncorrectable yellowness was a problem (from severe in the earliest cameras to very little with the Nikon) and if I upped the contrast a bit the images shifted to yellow. With the G10 I can apply ridiculous amounts of contrast and the colors remain stable. This leads me to believe all the others were faking their colors.

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