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New Understood.
People will invest in GM or GE or AT&T when they feel that the risk of investing in them will pay off more than sticking the money in the bank or a bond. That means they think the company will have growing profits. That generally results from growing sales, meaning more customers or the same customers buying more.

So, people have to buy stuff so that prices will stop falling. Then, stock prices would stop falling.

You're right that the press conflates the DJIA will the stock market as a whole, and worse than that, as the economy as a whole. TV especially, likes nothing more than reducing complicated topics to an "objective number". The stock market and the economy exist in the same world, but they aren't a proxy for each other.

That's why I made the flippant remark about 20th century. Remember the .com boom? How some people argued that profits had nothing to do with stock values? It's wacky the things that get published. I think that sober people are recognizing that fundamentals eventually have to be paid attention to...

Cheers,
Scott.
New I got the sarcasm
I just think you're giving investors too much credit if you think that they're buying because they think the company will have growing profits. They buy stock because they think the stock will grow.
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Drew
New go to vegas, your chances are better than the market
when the p&e settles around 10 (roughly 6500) it will settle out. I do remember a story about a guy that bought RCA in 1929 and held it until it regained to what he purchased it for. 1969 or thereabouts.
New Good point
Making money by timing the market, like all gambling, is a zero sum game. Anything you win is coming straight from someone else's loss. Whenever it seems like the whole market is up, that's just paper earnings. You can't cash out without someone else buying in, so there's no way for the entire market to be winning at the same time. Just can't happen. (And let's not bring up the vig ... excuse me, the fees.)

When GM sells a car -- let's pretend we're talking about a time when that was happening profitably -- GM gets the money from the sale, the buyer gets a car, the workers get paychecks, the stockholder get a share of the profits. Everyone wins.

When your business model is timing stock fluctuations, you can win or lose regardless of how many cars GM sells. Workers are laid off, potential customers don't have new cars, there's no dividend, but hey, you shorted the stock, so you still made money. Someone else lost, though. It's less than zero sum.
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Drew
     Wow... bold... Dow 4000 - (folkert) - (9)
         Where are the people talking about wealth creation? - (drook) - (8)
             That's 20th Century thinking. Get with the program! - (Another Scott) - (7)
                 I've got it! Lottery tickets! - (mhuber) - (1)
                     That makes a lot of sense. - (Another Scott)
                 Let's talk real economy - (drook) - (4)
                     Understood. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         I got the sarcasm - (drook) - (2)
                             go to vegas, your chances are better than the market - (boxley) - (1)
                                 Good point - (drook)

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