Losing our rights, very slowly.

Post #30,471 by nking 3/2/02 4:49:42 PM Reply	Losing our rights, very slowly. Ok I know that Sept 11 was bad, and that we need to crack down on terrorists, but at what cost? Anyone know about the "Magic Lantern" software? It goes way beyond Carnivore. Basically a box they put as a proxy between an ISP and its users, and a virus/trojan is put on the user's machines to record keystrokes, web sites visited, and other information into its databases. How does the virus get on the user's machines? I am not sure, but I wonder if it becomes part of a MS update, an Anti-virus update, file sharing software, IM softare, or something else? Norton and McAfee are told to ignore it. Is there any way to detect it and remove it? Or just switch to Linux or MacOS because it is a Windows only virus, thus far? I am not trying to hide anything, I just don't want a virus on my system period. I think I should have the right to remove anything from my system that I do not want on there. If the **ing virus is eating up resource memory and causing my system to crash more, I'd rather get rid of it. "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."**
Post #30,472 by nking 3/2/02 4:55:47 PM Reply	Re: Losing our rights, very slowly. Also I heard that the FBI was planning to have all Internet traffic go through their own proxy servers so they can record who is surfing what. If they do this, it will cost tons of money. But everything that they have done so far, how many terrorists did they catch in the USA? Or are we still looking for them overseas? Copyright laws are also being changed so that there is no more "fair use". If Santa Claus was invented today, by modern law, nobody else could use Santa Clause without permission from the copyright holder. There would be no Christmas as we know it, because one company would own the rights to Santa Claus. Am I insane, or are we just losing our rights very slowly? Since when did 1984 become a reality? More and more companies are installing video cameras to watch employees, etc. I guess there is no such thing as privacy anymore? "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #30,483 by Ashton 3/2/02 6:22:16 PM Reply	I don't think it's insane to notice a trend. You may be exaggerating the actuality as of today - but not IMhO - the agenda of at east a few in positions of power. But as with SSSCA (whose trend you mention re the creation of a new Draconian interpretation of the idea of \ufffd) - remember the Founding Mothers' wisest exhortation to the fledgling Republic: Eternal vigilance is the price of ... Even locally - Ben T. for example in one post, has made it about as EZ as any lazy one could ask: to write one's representatives [and Hollings!] about the absurdity of Hollings' proposed SSSCA. (Do you know yours? and their addresses? - a link is there if you Don't). But hasn't it always been thus? Aren't there always 'forces' whose vision for the country is: more police, more restrictions on behavior; more 'enforced' homogeneity? (makes enforcement so much easier when everyone thinks, acts the same) Don't think that your letters (presuming only that.. there are more than a handful? which actually get sent) -- are unread and unheeded. Thinking that - is merely the lazy person's rationale for sitting mutely and bitching. It's not too late to eviscerate, ridicule -- Kill SSSCA. Good logic and good writing are your armament. Use It. (You'll Know later.. if you just skipped the letters, and this sucker passes. Then: Whom will YOU blame?) Cheers, Ashton PS - you can even boilerplate some of the cogent arguments which others have created. I think it's best though.. to add at least a few original angles of your own, lest the screed seem to be a carbon copy = less credibility when the tallies are made. You'll feel better after you do it. US Mail is worth the 34\ufffd for its effect, IMhO - but e-mail is LOTS better than silence.
Post #30,487 by nking 3/2/02 6:50:26 PM Reply	It is true, after all [link\|http://netsecurity.about.com/library/weekly/aa121901a.htm\|Magic Lantern is the FBI's latest plan to combat terrorism] but it can be abused to keep track of innocents, or raise red flags on someone that visits the AYB web sites and all of a sudden they see "Someone set up us the bmb!" and the B-word flags them as a potential terrorist. Lord knows what will happen to this same person reading posts on IWE's WOT forum, or the Microsoft is Guilty Forum, and any combinations of other forums. It is the red scare all over again, I wonder how many innocents will be victim to this? When I did a search for Magic Lantern, and virus and trojan I came up with this site [link\|http://www.dojgov.net/USDOJ_Main.htm\|[link\|http://www.dojgov.net/USDOJ_Main.htm\|http://www.dojgov.net/USDOJ_Main.htm]] I cannot verify how accurate it is, but basically it says that innocents are getting hit as hard or harder than the guilty. Now I am not sure who runs it, but there are all sorts of sites on the Internet. Apparently there is a law [link\|http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/laws/pl096456.htm\|CLASSIFIED INFORMATION PROCEDURES ACT PL 96-456] that allows them to do this? Now if I was working on a programming project, with a few of my friends, and we sent email using PGP to encrypt the source code, the ML server would have all of our keystrokes and have all of our trade secrets listed on it. Then all my competition need do is hack the ML server or run a packet sniffer on the ISP between my dial-up or DSLAM or whatever before it goes to the ML server, and they can get all of our trade secrets and copyright them before we could. Even if we have proven that they have stolen our work, the copyright would still stand. They may face criminal charges for hacking into ISP equipment, but they'd make a bundle off of our ideas that we spent R&D on, and they didn't. "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."*
Post #30,595 by boxley 3/4/02 11:01:45 AM Reply	Our rights have been eroding since the 1950's Nikita Kruchev said it best we will sell the rope used to hang us. At that time our rights to carry guns, drive a car without a seatbelt, visit with a patrolman without getting a gun pointed at you, many things were allowed that are outright banned. We will keep losing our rights until we become the Soviet Union, and we arnt that far away. 1950's Disclaimer, these rights were not afforded to all Americans especially foreigners and negroes. thanx, bill "I'm selling a hammer," he says. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." Richard Eaton spy software innovator
Post #30,605 by nking 3/4/02 11:12:04 AM 3/4/02 11:13:57 AM Reply	The "End Times" must be approaching then? There will be wars, and rumors of wars, and many signs. It must be true then that we are moving towards the end of times, and it will only get worse for us? How long before we get the "mark of the beast" on our foreheads or arm in order to buy stuff? (The mark being a computer chip, or something like a barcode, whatever). [link\|http://www.newadvent.org/faq/faq004.htm\|Catholic End of The World FAQ] tells us that Jesus will come back to make things all better. In fact, [link\|http://www.jvim.com/\|JVI] has a series of videos, books, and stuff on the end coming soon. The [link\|http://biblia.com/bible/revelation.htm\|Book Of Revelation] shows how the Devil takes control, and then Jesus comes back to kick his rear end and bring about world peace and putting an end to misery and suffering. Of course all the jerks and ssholes (evil people) end up getting judged and get very very hot for eternity, but anyway they are given a chance to reform themselves before judgement happens. "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."* Edited by nking March 4, 2002, 11:13:57 AM EST Expand All History
Post #30,609 by boxley 3/4/02 11:16:13 AM Reply	the end time aproaches in every generation you must live your life in spite of that. thanx, bill "I'm selling a hammer," he says. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." Richard Eaton spy software innovator
Post #30,664 by Brandioch 3/4/02 1:35:55 PM Reply	Bingo. The price of freedom is eternal vigilence. Even if we become a totalitarian state, that isn't the end of the world. We'll just have to fight our way back to the level of freedom we're willing to die for.
Post #30,721 by a6l6e6x 3/4/02 4:39:44 PM Reply	Thomas Jefferson said, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." YMMV. :) Otherwise, full agreement. Alex "Of course, you realize this means war." -B. Bunny
Post #30,744 by nking 3/4/02 6:34:07 PM Reply	Uh? How about this? We fight to keep our Democracy before it becomes a Facist Country? Write letters to your Government Representatives to keep the freedom that our forefathers wanted us to have. Fight peacefully, no violence. Protest, instead of attacking. Vote your conscience, not your party affiliation. "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #30,813 by mmoffitt 3/5/02 10:17:56 AM Reply	Too late, but then it always was. A different POV on "The Founders" and our "Revolution": The popularly described "American Revolution" Landed aristocrats received huge land grants in return for collecting taxes for the Crown (they also get to keep a little bit of what they collect, but they have to send the majority back across the Atlantic). The landed aristocrats decide that they'll get more, even if they lower taxes, if they don't send anything across the Atlantic. A disinformation campaign is begun in which the chief complaint is "No taxation without representation" (the fact that colonists did have representation in England is conveniently ignored). The idea sells well to the uneducated masses whose blood will be used to fight the upcoming war with, and a war is begun. When the war is finally over, the new government comprised of the landed aristocrats dictates that taxes must "go up" to pay for the "war debt". Enter the real, failed American Revolution usually called "Shay's Rebellion" Because they didn't fight merely to replace one set of oppressors with another, Daniel Shay lead about 600 armed farmers to a courthouse. Governor Bowdoin responded by sending in 4,400 troops. Game over. You see folks, the good old US of A was never, ever, anything other than what it is today - a somewhat democratic plutocracy. bcnu, Mikem -I'd have a sig, but we Americans have to "watch what we say, watch what we do now."
Post #30,886 by Ashton 3/5/02 1:42:36 PM Reply	Guess I gotta dust off the smelter and, bestow another Brevity Award ..for shortest accurate depiction of our er Roots and - for just plain Goodness! Ashton Gilded Lilies of the Valley-Gurrls Ltd.
Post #30,948 by nking 3/5/02 8:03:32 PM Reply	Same as it ever was? Isn't what we really have a Republic and not a Democracy? We are represented by those critters that get elected to office. Some of them are just appointed without even bothering to ask the citizens about it, like judges. best we can do is try to impeace them when they get caught breaking rules or with their hand in the cookie jar or an Intern's blue dress? Anyway democratic plutocracy, what does Mickey Mouse's dog Pluto have to do with it? Gives new meaning to the words "Mickey Mouse Laws"? ;) That means a government run by the wealthy, does it not? Taxation without representation is not good, with representaion it is not so great either. But we all have to pay taxes and only the dirt-poor get them back. Only the wealthy can hide their wealth and use loopholes to avoid paying taxes because only they can afford to hire accountants and lawyers to hide great amounts of wealth. But if it is a true plutocracy, then the rich run the government and give themselves the loopholes to get out of paying the taxes? So how are we going to reform it? "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #31,017 by mmoffitt 3/6/02 10:59:12 AM Reply	Violent Revolution! But attack Corporations, not bureaucrats
Post #31,035 by nking 3/6/02 12:39:02 PM Reply	Violence is not always the answer there are people who propose violence against Corps, but they usually get thrown into mental hospitals. How do I know? I spent some time in mental hospitals and there are people in there suggesting that they do violent things to the corps running this country. Me, I don't advocate violence. Not when there is another way to do things, non-violent things. All I ask is that the corps reform themselves and stop trampling on people's rights and freedoms. I hope that we are not moving towards a government like the one outlined in "1984", it seems like we are headed in that direction to me. Security cameras are everyhwere, and we are getting digital TV forced upon us soon, and the old TV sets will need an adapter. I wonder if the new TV sets and digital converter boxes will have the ability to record what we watch and report back to a company or department of a government? "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #31,368 by mmoffitt 3/8/02 12:14:57 PM Reply	Well, if you're running Windows... >> I wonder if the new TV sets and digital converter boxes will have the ability >> to record what we watch and report back to a company or department of a >> government? If you use MS Media player, what you're watching is already being watched. Probably NOT reporting to the government, probably to corporations, who have the real power anyway. ;-) [link\|http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,50567,00.html\|http://www.wired.co...0567,00.html]
Post #31,422 by Ashton 3/8/02 7:20:15 PM Reply	A practical emotional answer to Windows: Get, construct - a Billy Doll. The soothing effect of inserting various pointed objects can.. almost.. atone for the daily time-waste, the inconvenient crash when that important e-mail won't download, the incomprehensible 'blame someone Else' error messages, the smarmy paper clip and.. and... that horrible baby-talk label, My Computer !! Each one deserves an er embedded object. And if enough Have Faith and do the daily pin duty? Oh Ye of little Faith!
Post #31,444 by nking 3/9/02 12:13:29 AM Reply	Billy doll I had an idea for one, and it had a connection to the computer that could detect a system crash or BSOD. The Billy doll will laugh a geeky laugh, with a snort or two, then you use a small hammer to wack him on the head and it makes the computer do a warm boot. My only problems are finding a company to make the thing, and coming up with the cash to promote it. :) "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #30,805 by mmoffitt 3/5/02 9:55:18 AM Reply	Whoa, there. I've lived in the Soviet Union.This is no CCCP.
Post #30,823 by boxley 3/5/02 10:31:28 AM Reply	we are certainly heading there at least the CCCP of the 70's. That is the goal of both the corps and the government to turn us into a hamstrung country of wage slaves. thanx, bill There is no difference between a "settler," "soldier," "secular," or "Chassidic Jew." The target is the JEW. \ufffd Harvey Tannenbaum
Post #30,828 by mmoffitt 3/5/02 10:49:35 AM Reply	Huge difference. Between being a "wage slave" and an actual one in Siberia.
Post #30,830 by boxley 3/5/02 11:05:57 AM Reply	Dont watch the O'Reilly show much do ya He proposes building work camps in Alaska. thanx, bill There is no difference between a "settler," "soldier," "secular," or "Chassidic Jew." The target is the JEW. \ufffd Harvey Tannenbaum
Post #30,835 by mmoffitt 3/5/02 11:10:38 AM Reply	No way! Really? Another reason NOT to watch :-)

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