Motion to Recommit kills legislation.

Post #304,099 by Another Scott 2/13/09 10:45:19 AM Reply	Motion to Recommit kills legislation. That's its purpose. It's not "designed to encourage such things and increase transparency." http://www.rules.hou.../recommit_mot.htm You're aware that we have something called Separation of Powers, no? We didn't elect Obama BDFL. He doesn't set the House rules. BTW, here's the text of the bill - HR-5: http://www.govtrack.....xpd?bill=hr111-5 (g) Instructions in the Motion to Recommit- In clause 2(b) of rule XIX-- (1) designate the existing sentence as subparagraph (1); (2) in subparagraph (1) (as so designated)-- (A) strike ÂifÂ; and (B) strike Âincludes instructions, itÂ; and (3) add the following new subparagraph at the end: Â(2) A motion to recommit a bill or joint resolution may include instructions only in the form of a direction to report an amendment or amendments back to the House forthwith.Â. (See the previous link for the meaning of "forthwith" and so forth.) The final language in rule XIX is here: http://frwebgate.acc...&docid=hruletx-76 I can't give a sensible interpretation of it, IANAL, but do note the title of the rule is: "motions following the amendment stage" - IOW, it's the last stage after the bill and amendments have been considered. Obviously, sending it back to committee at that stage kills a vote on it. Spinning it otherwise is disingenuous. Motion to Recommit still exists. http://www.govtrack....ongress/votes.xpd *Funny how all this change is seeming to be more of the same...just a different animal as a mascot.* I was wondering when the "they're all the same" post-script was going to appear. :-D HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #304,100 by drook 2/13/09 10:58:50 AM Reply	Insanity is a great negotiating tactic Just ignore all rules of logic, common sense, and law when you have the power to get your way anyway. Then when you're on the weaker side, complain bitterly that the stronger party isn't treating you fairly. If the best you can do is accuse your opponent of being pragmatic (in dealing with your patent absurdity) then you say they're just like you. I'm reminded of the Lawyer's Primer -- http://thinkexist.co...w-you/178736.html : "If you don't have the law, you argue the facts; if you don't have the facts, you argue the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, then you argue the Constitution." But they missed the last step, beautifully laid out in the ice cream scene from Thank You For Smoking -- http://www.youtube.c...tch?v=zLS-npemQYQ -- which could be summed up as, "When you have neither the facts, the law nor the Constitution, argue your opponents motives." -- Drew
Post #304,104 by beepster 2/13/09 11:25:28 AM Reply	The change guarantees that whatever the controlling party wants, they get. Just like it used to be. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #304,105 by boxley 2/13/09 11:50:27 AM Reply	but its different beep, the democrats wont abuse it :-)
Post #304,110 by beepster 2/13/09 1:52:22 PM Reply	Of course not there's 41 years of tradition that show otherwi...oh wait. Never mind. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.

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